On Wednesday, February 11, 2015, Louis Suárez-Potts <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On 11-02-2015, at 13:10, jan i <[email protected] <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > > On 11 February 2015 at 19:00, Louis Suárez-Potts <[email protected] > <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > >> > >>> On 11-02-2015, at 12:54, jan i <[email protected] <javascript:;>> wrote: > >>> > >>> On 11 February 2015 at 18:17, Dennis E. Hamilton < > >> [email protected] <javascript:;>> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Side question: Is it premature to have Corinthia tasks in GSoC 2015? > >>>> > >>> absolutely not....would be real nice to have. But we need somebody who > >> can > >>> do the technical mentoring. > >>> > >>> Without a mentor, there are no meaning in suggesting tasks. > >>> > >>> I am caught up with some other projects, so I do not have the time > needed > >>> (and we talk about quite a lot of time) to be a GSoC mentor this year. > >>> > >>> Rgds > >>> jan i > >>> > >> > >> I would be happy to officiate as a mentor until such time as a "real" > >> mentor (aka a savant) comes up. For instance, what sort of technical > tasks > >> are imagined as being wanted? And what would the mentor be doing? When > we > >> did this before, for OOo, the role of the mentor really depended hugely > on > >> the ambition and capability of the student. > >> > > The mentor is (as of GSoC definition) the person that drives the GSoC > task, > > and link the student(s) to the rest of hte project. The Mentor is > expected > > to be technically skilled and able to help the student with programming > > decisions. > > > > I was not aware that OOo participated in GSoC ? please be aware that GSoC > > expects more technical skills from the mentors, that you find in many > > university projects. I am aware the AOO participated with jsc mentoring a > > student in UNO, and I also remember jürgen telling how difficult it was > for > > him. > > OOo participated in several, including some of the earliest; this was > before the War over Java (regarding validation and leading to the rise of > Classpath). I oversaw this effort and participated in the Mountain View > meetings with Juergen Schmidt, who was subordinate to my peer in Hamburg; > both of us were in the engineering. I don’t recall if Juergen was a mentor > at this time—around 2006?—or if it was not some other, more senior > developer in Hamburg. However, what you write about Juergen’s experience is > useful to know. (I also rather pity him for mentoring a student on UNO. > Wouldn’t you?) (Regarding the other times, I think we did it twice, with > Google. Then we also had a rather successful program within OOo funded by > Sun for a couple of years, and that produced some good work and advanced > the program in accessibility (DAISY) and elsewhere. This work was all very > technical and supervised by advanced advanced developers. But not all were > with Sun; for the DAISY project, we had outside contributors supervise the > development of the module. Perhaps something like that can be done here.) > > > Back then, I did little with actual mentoring. My goal *then* (not now) > was basically to induce (poach?) developers. > > > > I am all for that we submit GSoC proposals, but whoever sign up as > mentor, > > should be prepared for the technical challenge....of course we can also > > define projects (like I did for VALs) that require less programming > skills, > > but programming is mandatory for GSoC. > > Yes. I understand you, Jan. Here is what I proposed. If there is a > deadline issue, the mentor initially put forth could be switched out for > someone else more capable to taken on the task. This is a classic tactic > for obtaining grants. the deadline issue is that proposals with mentors need to be done before fe. 13th 19:00utc. Switching mentor should be possible, but at least I cannot do the actual mentor work, as I expect to be heavely involved in getting changes implemented in AOO. Rgds jan i > > > > If you want to sign up, Uli has outlined the procedure. > > Okay. > > > > rgds > > jan i. > > > > > > > >> louis > >>> > >>>> > >>>> -- Replying below to -- > >>>> From: jan i [mailto:[email protected] <javascript:;>] > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 00:35 > >>>> To: [email protected] <javascript:;>; > [email protected] <javascript:;> > >>>> Subject: Re: GSoC 2015 - very little interest so far > >>>> > >>>> On Wednesday, February 11, 2015, Dennis E. Hamilton < > >>>> [email protected] <javascript:;>> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Two questions: > >>>>> > >>>>> 1. It appears to me that the compilation of JIRA issues with label > >>>>> gsoc2015 is created from the global ASF JIRA, so any project can > create > >>>>> them. Do I misunderstand that? > >>>>> > >>>>> 2. Are you saying that creation of such an issue is an offer to > mentor > >>>>> such a project, if someone takes up the proposal? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> read the suggested wiki pages (see first mail from uli). > >>>> <orcmid> > >>>> Apparently I did not notice a "first mail from uli." > >>>> However, he has replied on dev @oo.a.o with som info. > >>>> I don't know about suggested wiki pages though. > >>>> </orcmid> > >>>> > >>>> you should first sign up as mentor, then submit proposals, thus us to > >> make > >>>> sure that each proposal is real, meaning if the students choose it, > >> there > >>>> is a mentor availabke. > >>>> <orcmid> > >>>> That is my understanding. Thank you. > >>>> </orcmid> > >>>> > >>>> rgds > >>>> jan i > >>>> > >>>> [ ... ] > >>>> > >>>> > >> > >> > > -- Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings.
