On 08/02/2009, at 4:35 PM, Damien Katz wrote:

So just to be clear, replication ignores MVCC?

No, it still uses MVCC, just not at transaction boundaries.

Surely MVCC is only about 'transactions'. Even if it's an issue of on- disk ACID.

No it wouldn't, because some of the documents that it's about to read for previous updates might be updated again during replication.

Outgoing replication doesn't change the documents it's sending does it? Or are you suggesting concurrent incoming/outgoing replication? Or simply concurrent operation? If the case of concurrent updating during replication, MVCC gives you static snapshot of the data, so the outgoing replication can be relative to the commit id at the time that the replication is initiated, just like a view.

Technically it's possible for the database to never be completely consistent, but for many previous transactions to become consistent, and then overwritten by later temporarily inconsistent states.

But updates are never lost, however they might be delayed a bit. Eventually consistent doesn't mean the database as a whole will eventually be consistent at any snapshot, but all the individual inconsistencies are transient and go away.

Or might not, which sounds like a very difficult issue to deal with in an application.

Great, you have an app server to front it. Just serialize all updates to the database do the conflict checking in the app layer. Then commit. You don't get good update throughput, but you do get the user interaction you desire.

And I get a horrendous API and awful performance.

Antony Blakey
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