On Oct 21, 2011, at 20:17 , Robert Newson wrote:

> +1 on Noah's non-Procedure.

I claim that non-Procedure, good sir.

Cheers
Jan
-- 

> 
> B.
> 
> On 21 October 2011 19:14, Noah Slater <nsla...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
>> Most productive edits come from regular contributors or members of the
>> community. Most drive-by edits come from spammers. In fact, there are some
>> spammers with genuine accounts, who make very purposeful and directed edits
>> to inject links inconspicuously.
>> 
>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Pepijn de Vos <pepijnde...@yahoo.com>wrote:
>> 
>>> I wonder what the demography is of contributors. Are they all contributors
>>> and list members, or is there a reasonable portion of users that just walk
>>> by, fix something and walk on.
>>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2011, at 7:58 PM, Noah Slater wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Yeah, I don't think we need a Procedureā„¢ in place for this.
>>>> 
>>>> Basically, as long as a wiki admin adds you to the contributor list,
>>> you're
>>>> good to go. How you reach out to that admin, or how they find out about
>>> your
>>>> request, is unimportant. We should present plenty of options for people
>>> to
>>>> contact one of us.
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Paul Davis <paul.joseph.da...@gmail.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Jan Lehnardt <j...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2011, at 18:57 , Noah Slater wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sounds good to me.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "Open a JIRA to get a wiki account" sounds very bad to me.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I understand we gotta get the spam under control, but asking
>>>>>> people to sign up in two places and put a potentially long
>>>>>> manual setup process will kill almost any contribution energy.
>>>>>> Heck, I try to avoid the wiki as much as I can as is.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> <insert handwavey suggestion to a better alternative>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> (I got nothing for now apart from moving to a better wiki, sorry)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I agree with Jan about multiple signups. I'd say an email to any list
>>>>> or any IRC request is more than enough to get wiki edits is fine.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Benoit Chesneau <bchesn...@gmail.com
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Friday, October 21, 2011, Noah Slater <nsla...@tumbolia.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> To JIRA you mean?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> yes
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Benoit Chesneau <
>>>>> bchesn...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Noah Slater <nsla...@tumbolia.org
>>>> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hey,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On advice from Gavin McDonald, I'd like to suggest that we lock
>>> down
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> wiki to a list of pre-approved users. To get approved to make
>>> edits,
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> would submit a request to one of the mailing lists or to one of
>>> the
>>>>>>>> wiki
>>>>>>>>>>> admins or committers. That's it. It should remove the need to
>>>>> protect
>>>>>>>>>> pages
>>>>>>>>>>> like the "in the wild" stuff and the people on the couch. Other
>>>>>>>> projects
>>>>>>>>>>> have implemented this and they get absolutely no spam as a result.
>>>>>>>>>>> Infrastructure suggested we move to it, and I wanna see what
>>> people
>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>> about it.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> More info here:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/general/OurWikiFarm
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe approval requests could also be submitted as tickets?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> - benoit
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 

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