On 16 Apr 2014, at 21:52 , ASF IRC Bot <asf...@urd.zones.apache.org> wrote:
> Summary of IRC Meeting in #couchdb-meeting at Wed Apr 16 19:02:33 2014: > > Attendees: Wohali, nslater, awenkhh, vmx, benoitc, kzx, jan____, Humbedooh, > chewbranca, rnewson > > - Preface > - bigcouch merge > - Info: work on the bigcouch merge has started again and will make good > progress > - rcouch merge > - Action: rnewson to bring up windows support on dev@ > - Action: jan____ to look at producing rcouch merge request for help blog > post Done, see other thread. Best Jan -- > - advocat hub > - 1.6.0 release > - Action: pringles for everyone (not really) > - COUCHDB-1986 > - weekly new > > > IRC log follows: > > ## Preface ## > [Wed Apr 16 19:03:17 2014] <Humbedooh>: aah > [Wed Apr 16 19:03:21 2014] <Humbedooh>: ASFBot: karma add awenkhh 3 > [Wed Apr 16 19:06:24 2014] <awenkhh>: welcome everybody > [Wed Apr 16 19:06:34 2014] <nslater>: ACTION feels welcomed > [Wed Apr 16 19:06:38 2014] <awenkhh>: we have the following topics for today > [Wed Apr 16 19:07:20 2014] <awenkhh>: rcouch & bigcouch merge, COUCHDB-1986, > 1.6 release > [Wed Apr 16 19:07:31 2014] <nslater>: please also add: advocate hub > ## bigcouch merge ## > [Wed Apr 16 19:08:19 2014] <awenkhh>: rnewson would be cool if you go ahead > with it > [Wed Apr 16 19:08:22 2014] <rnewson>: my only note on the bigcouch merge is > that I (and others soon I think) have restarted work on our branch > [Wed Apr 16 19:08:46 2014] <nslater>: do we have any idea about timelines? > [Wed Apr 16 19:08:50 2014] <rnewson>: I know chewbranca is also finishing up > his PR's for the mrview work after my initial review found some problems > [Wed Apr 16 19:09:40 2014] <chewbranca>: yeah that should be sorted out this > week and we can continue the review > [Wed Apr 16 19:09:41 2014] <rnewson>: nslater: the merge is strategically > important for Cloudant, more so than it was before we started, so expect to > see sustained effort as we ramp back up again > [Wed Apr 16 19:09:47 2014] <nslater>: great news > [Wed Apr 16 19:10:04 2014] <awenkhh>: rnewson sounds great! > [Wed Apr 16 19:10:48 2014] <awenkhh>: any additions to the topic? > [Wed Apr 16 19:12:02 2014] <awenkhh>: #info work on the bigcouch merge has > started again and will make good progress > ## rcouch merge ## > [Wed Apr 16 19:13:17 2014] <Wohali>: Andy and I have started reviewing the > code in its current state on the branch > [Wed Apr 16 19:13:18 2014] <awenkhh>: Wohali you started reviewing > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COUCHDB-1994 > [Wed Apr 16 19:13:21 2014] <nslater>: can someone assist benoit please in > getting the word out that we need more testing > [Wed Apr 16 19:13:39 2014] <nslater>: ideally, i'd like a blog post, and i > can handle sustained promotion of that over a multi-week period > [Wed Apr 16 19:13:42 2014] <Wohali>: I've identified a number of problems, > specially broken Windows builds, and am addressing directly. I should have a > PR this week > [Wed Apr 16 19:13:56 2014] <awenkhh>: nslater yes and the a blog post as you > have suggested would be great > [Wed Apr 16 19:14:18 2014] <Wohali>: The good news is that we should be able > to simplify our build process a lot, especially if builders pull pre-built > Erlang and ICU binaries from upstream. > [Wed Apr 16 19:14:29 2014] <nslater>: Wohali: great news > [Wed Apr 16 19:14:30 2014] <Wohali>: The bad news is that it's a lot of > Makefile and rebar rework ;) > [Wed Apr 16 19:14:41 2014] <Wohali>: AH well, this is what you get when you > abandon autotools ;) > [Wed Apr 16 19:14:42 2014] <nslater>: Wohali: we're planning to drop all of > the makefile stuff aren't we? > [Wed Apr 16 19:14:57 2014] <jan____>: maybe as a first step we mention it in > the weekly? > [Wed Apr 16 19:15:01 2014] <jan____>: I can ping lena > [Wed Apr 16 19:15:06 2014] <awenkhh>: jan____ +1 > [Wed Apr 16 19:15:09 2014] <Wohali>: nslater: There is still a top-level > makefile, and rcouch itself still uses makefiles to build ICU and > Spidermonkey, naturally. > [Wed Apr 16 19:15:09 2014] <nslater>: that's a good first step > [Wed Apr 16 19:15:24 2014] <nslater>: but i'd still like that blog post if > someone wants to step forward for that > [Wed Apr 16 19:15:30 2014] <nslater>: Wohali: gotcha > [Wed Apr 16 19:15:46 2014] <rnewson>: how much of that makefile work is > redundant or would need redoing given the bigcouch build scripts? > [Wed Apr 16 19:15:47 2014] <Wohali>: But yes, for instance, it means having a > build.cmd in addition to a build.sh for ICU (though I think the best answer > is to punt on compiling ICU for Windows and instruct potential builders to > just use upstream binaries) > [Wed Apr 16 19:15:53 2014] <jan____>: nslater: do you have a TOC in mind for > said blog post? > [Wed Apr 16 19:16:30 2014] <nslater>: jan____: nope. i'm not familiar enough > with the topic. the blog post should ideally provide a brief description of > what we're trying to do, who it is relevant for, and steps that indicate how > to test/help out > [Wed Apr 16 19:16:44 2014] <Wohali>: rnewson: I need to look again, but I > think not a hwole lot...at the very least it's building experience (in my > head if nowhere else) on how to get this build done with the MSVC toolchain, > and do our best to avoid relying on shell scripts / shellisms > [Wed Apr 16 19:17:02 2014] <rnewson>: ok > [Wed Apr 16 19:17:04 2014] <jan____>: that’s what I meant, thanks! I’ll see > if I can doodle something up > [Wed Apr 16 19:17:08 2014] <nslater>: ah heh > [Wed Apr 16 19:17:10 2014] <awenkhh>: jan____ scanning the mail archive with > search for rcouch + status will bring good results > [Wed Apr 16 19:17:23 2014] <rnewson>: We should raise Windows as a supported > platform as a topic > [Wed Apr 16 19:17:24 2014] <jan____>: awenkhh: thanks! > [Wed Apr 16 19:17:32 2014] <rnewson>: it seems unwise to encourage it given > how shitty it is in practice. > [Wed Apr 16 19:17:56 2014] <nslater>: rnewson: classic dogfooding no? get > people using it, while it's shitty, and you get patches to make it less shitty > [Wed Apr 16 19:18:04 2014] <jan____>: rnewson: can you clarify, I’m unsure I > get your point > [Wed Apr 16 19:18:10 2014] <nslater>: as long as we indicate the status > [Wed Apr 16 19:18:39 2014] <kzx>: on the building topic, rpms and deb > packages (preferable self-contained with erlang releases) would be awesome > [Wed Apr 16 19:18:43 2014] <Wohali>: I think rnewson is suggesting dropping > support entirely > [Wed Apr 16 19:18:50 2014] <rnewson>: I am. > [Wed Apr 16 19:19:07 2014] <nslater>: i think i need more justification than > that than "our support isn't great right now" > [Wed Apr 16 19:19:20 2014] <rnewson>: but I'm really saying we should discuss > it. > [Wed Apr 16 19:19:24 2014] <nslater>: especially if we have people who are > working on it > [Wed Apr 16 19:19:30 2014] <nslater>: two, i believe, right now > [Wed Apr 16 19:19:33 2014] <Wohali>: let's add that ot the end of the meeting > agenda then? > [Wed Apr 16 19:19:35 2014] <Wohali>: three > [Wed Apr 16 19:19:45 2014] <rnewson>: I think that we can't support it well, > it doesn't work well, and requires a small subset of our team to even get it > to build, as good enough reasons to ditch it. > [Wed Apr 16 19:19:51 2014] <Wohali>: otherwise, rcouch review continues apace > [Wed Apr 16 19:19:59 2014] <jan____>: aye, got it. Sounds like nice an > healthy epic thread for dev@ :) > [Wed Apr 16 19:20:11 2014] <nslater>: agreed > [Wed Apr 16 19:20:14 2014] <nslater>: let's bump this > [Wed Apr 16 19:20:16 2014] <chewbranca>: Wohali and dch are the only > developers using it, correct? > [Wed Apr 16 19:20:20 2014] <jan____>: thanks for clarifying Wohali & rnewson > [Wed Apr 16 19:20:41 2014] <nslater>: chewbranca: we'd need a comprehensive > survey to determine that for sure > [Wed Apr 16 19:20:53 2014] <nslater>: which is next to impossible to get, of > course > [Wed Apr 16 19:20:55 2014] <Wohali>: chewbranca: incorrect > [Wed Apr 16 19:21:15 2014] <nslater>: we need an owner. who's going to bring > this up on dev? > [Wed Apr 16 19:21:17 2014] <Wohali>: chewbranca: me, dch and a third are the > only *committers* working on it but there are other consumers. We can > probably get a count of the # of downloads fomr the website, too. > [Wed Apr 16 19:21:24 2014] <Wohali>: rnewson should post it since it's his > motion > [Wed Apr 16 19:21:38 2014] <nslater>: #action rnewson to bring up windows > support on dev@ > [Wed Apr 16 19:21:57 2014] <vmx>: i know at least of one project actually > using couchdb on windows (they bundle it) > [Wed Apr 16 19:22:16 2014] <nslater>: #action jan____ to look at producing > rcouch merge request for help blog post > [Wed Apr 16 19:22:47 2014] <Wohali>: 15:18 < Humbedooh> [off] I'm going bike > riding for a while, if your cloak gets updated, awenkhh, let nslater or > jan____ close the meeting > ## advocat hub ## > [Wed Apr 16 19:23:34 2014] <nslater>: heh... > [Wed Apr 16 19:23:43 2014] <awenkhh>: nslater your turn :) > [Wed Apr 16 19:23:53 2014] <vmx>: sorry for being slow, that's the project > that uses couchdb on windows: https://github.com/omniscale/gbi-client > [Wed Apr 16 19:24:43 2014] <nslater>: okay, so, i am currently going through > the onboarding process with my account manager. i am attending various > webinars, and what have you. wearing my suit and tie while doing so, of course > [Wed Apr 16 19:25:31 2014] <nslater>: my next call is wednesday next week. > wont be finished by then. but making good progress. i am yet to create any of > our initial challenges. and yet to devise our initial rewards > [Wed Apr 16 19:25:47 2014] <nslater>: once i have a basic setup going, i'll > be looking to invite admins from the marketing@ list > [Wed Apr 16 19:26:00 2014] <nslater>: and am happy to do calls with people to > bring them up to speed, or whatever is needed > [Wed Apr 16 19:26:04 2014] <awenkhh>: nslater ok so for now it's your party? > do you need help? > [Wed Apr 16 19:26:08 2014] <nslater>: and am documenting resources, etc, o > the wiki > [Wed Apr 16 19:26:19 2014] <nslater>: awenkhh: nope. just providing a status > report > [Wed Apr 16 19:26:26 2014] <awenkhh>: nslater ok > [Wed Apr 16 19:26:44 2014] <nslater>: i'm actually doing so well in the > influitive advocate hub (quite meta) that i almost have enough points to > exchange for an ipad. hah > [Wed Apr 16 19:26:55 2014] <awenkhh>: nslater thanks a lot for working on > this topic !!! > [Wed Apr 16 19:27:05 2014] <nslater>: i'll be reaching out to marketing@ when > i need to invite admins. the more the merrier > [Wed Apr 16 19:27:23 2014] <nslater>: we need to have a think about what sort > of challenges we want to do, and what sorts of rewards to offer > [Wed Apr 16 19:27:29 2014] <nslater>: and also, how those rewards are going > to be funded > [Wed Apr 16 19:27:35 2014] <nslater>: but those are all for another time > [Wed Apr 16 19:27:39 2014] <nslater>: end of update > [Wed Apr 16 19:27:54 2014] <jan____>: nslater: thanks! > [Wed Apr 16 19:27:55 2014] <awenkhh>: I am really curious how that will fit > to our needs and what we will get :) > [Wed Apr 16 19:28:09 2014] <nslater>: first thing you will notice: > [Wed Apr 16 19:28:33 2014] <nslater>: all those times i am sharing links > asking people to upvote, and rt, and whatever. i will be replacing them with > a single link to the advocate hub, and an invitation to sign up and help us > advocate couchdb > [Wed Apr 16 19:28:50 2014] <nslater>: the individual invitations to share > things will be moved to challenges, and people can earn points for doing so > [Wed Apr 16 19:29:04 2014] <nslater>: my account manager has been showing me > how to run an open hub like this > [Wed Apr 16 19:29:12 2014] <nslater>: (a lot of hubs are invite only) > [Wed Apr 16 19:29:26 2014] <awenkhh>: are there visible challenges already? > [Wed Apr 16 19:29:29 2014] <nslater>: nope > [Wed Apr 16 19:29:32 2014] <awenkhh>: ok > ## 1.6.0 release ## > [Wed Apr 16 19:31:28 2014] <Humbedooh>: ASFBot: karma add awenkhh 3 > [Wed Apr 16 19:32:25 2014] <Wohali>: #action pringles for everyone (not > really) > [Wed Apr 16 19:32:34 2014] <jan____>: 1.6.x ci is all green: > http://ci.couchdb.org:8888/view/1.6.x/ > [Wed Apr 16 19:33:12 2014] <awenkhh>: I tested the rc2 Dirkjan made but there > have been issues > [Wed Apr 16 19:33:42 2014] <awenkhh>: so we stopped it and a rc3 will come > soon I think > [Wed Apr 16 19:33:50 2014] <awenkhh>: jan____ yeah thanks on that ! > [Wed Apr 16 19:33:59 2014] <jan____>: awenkhh: the rc2 vote has been aborted, > Kxepal IIRC has fixed the remaining issues last night > [Wed Apr 16 19:34:10 2014] <awenkhh>: jan____ yes > [Wed Apr 16 19:34:31 2014] <awenkhh>: that's what I meant that rc3 will come > soon > [Wed Apr 16 19:34:35 2014] <awenkhh>: and then ..... > [Wed Apr 16 19:34:48 2014] <awenkhh>: we get 1.6.0 finally on the street ! > ## COUCHDB-1986 ## > [Wed Apr 16 19:42:52 2014] <benoitc>: so will make a quick update on it since > most of the recent work has been done by kxepal > [Wed Apr 16 19:43:11 2014] <benoitc>: we are investigating the issue in 2 ways > [Wed Apr 16 19:44:01 2014] <benoitc>: 1. seeing if it's a network issue. > which i doubt. except if we have a bug in erlang > [Wed Apr 16 19:44:09 2014] <benoitc>: not sure if r14 has been tested > [Wed Apr 16 19:45:07 2014] <benoitc>: 2. the other thing we are checking is a > more deeper issue somewhere in the code, and kxepal has posted recently some > profiling I didn't have the time to read > [Wed Apr 16 19:45:11 2014] <benoitc>: yet > [Wed Apr 16 19:45:46 2014] <benoitc>: the current fix seems to mitigate the > issue, though having it as a default is not usual > [Wed Apr 16 19:46:07 2014] <benoitc>: i will update the ticket soon with an > updated status > [Wed Apr 16 19:46:48 2014] <awenkhh>: ok thanks a lot for the update benoitc > ## weekly new ## > [Wed Apr 16 19:48:00 2014] <awenkhh>: the weekly news have been well received > [Wed Apr 16 19:48:16 2014] <awenkhh>: special thanks to Lena again :) > [Wed Apr 16 19:48:33 2014] <jan____>: +1 > [Wed Apr 16 19:49:08 2014] <awenkhh>: question: do we have enough input for > the news or shall we ask the users again more directly ? > [Wed Apr 16 19:50:27 2014] <awenkhh>: well I think then we just keep on going > with the wwekly news > [Wed Apr 16 19:50:45 2014] <awenkhh>: If there are no other topics or > statements I would end the meeting > [Wed Apr 16 19:51:25 2014] <awenkhh>: thanks everybody for attending and have > a nice evening :) > [Wed Apr 16 19:51:40 2014] <jan____>: thanks all! > [Wed Apr 16 19:51:48 2014] <awenkhh>: ASFBot: meeting end > > > Meeting ended at Wed Apr 16 19:51:48 2014
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