I agree with Eric here. The pace in Incubator is stifling. It was my understanding that the Incubator's purpose was to establish community and have a project learn the Apache Way. Curator already had a thriving community before it came into the Incubator. What is was lacking was diverse committers. Over four months we've demonstrated that we can attract new committers. I fully expect that more committers will come on when (if) Curator is a TLP.
-JZ On Jul 24, 2013, at 7:19 PM, Eric Tschetter <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't know about Jordan's full motivations, but I can say from my > perspective it really sucked that I gave him a bunch of patches in early > April, they didn't get applied until May because we were waiting on a > release vote for 2.0.0, which was the exact same code as what was the most > current, stable version on github. Then when we decided we were ready to > release the changes (prompted by a user wanting a fix in an artifact they > could actually depend on), we sat there for two weeks waiting on a release > vote from the mentors, who had to be prompted multiple times and I don't > believe know the code or have any real understanding about whether it is > fit for release. > > During that two weeks the code sat, it aged a bit like wine, except when we > uncorked it, it hadn't actually changed. > > During this whole time from April, I maintained my own fork of the project > outside of apache with artifacts deployed to my own artifactory because I > am not willing to slow down my development cycle. > > So far, my impression of the transfer to Apache is that it is now more > painful to actually get changes into a state where other things can depend > on them, which seems like the opposite of what you want to increase > adoption of a library. > > All of this is aside from the general feeling that its significantly more > difficult to actually interact with Apache infrastructure than GitHub, but > that won't be fixed by becoming a TLP. > > --Eric > > On Wednesday, July 24, 2013, Luciano Resende wrote: > >> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 6:49 PM, Jordan Zimmerman < >> [email protected] <javascript:;>> wrote: >> >>> I am quickly coming to the conclusion that it was a mistake to put >> Curator >>> into Apache. I was cautioned by many colleagues that I shouldn't do it >> and >>> I now understand why they were correct. I'm not interested in another 3 >>> months of incubation. >>> >>> What is the process for failing out of incubation so that Curator can >>> continue outside of Apache? >>> >>> ==================== >>> >> >> >> How do you see the project changing when it becomes a TLP ? Or, let me put >> in another way, what issue do you have as having it as an "Incubator" >> project for couple more months ? >> >> >> -- >> Luciano Resende >> http://people.apache.org/~lresende >> http://twitter.com/lresende1975 >> http://lresende.blogspot.com/ >>
