I will create the test case as you suggest, illustrating the whole situation 
and what Daffodil does today.

What I'm seeking is a way for the string <foo>bar</foo> to be rendered as a 
string as exactly those characters, so that we *fool* a subsequent XML 
validator into treating the string contents as a tree of well-formed XML 
elements.
An XML schema for the resulting data would not have type xs:string for the 
myString element, but a complex type containing a "foo" child element. XPaths 
like myString/foo would be meaningful in this data.

Arguably, DFDL should not do this, rather, a post-processor of the XML-rendered 
infoset should do this XML-specific transformation.

The analogous situation does also occur for JSON. (Though nobody has asked for 
this as yet.)

The string { "foo" : "bar" } as a string value of a JSON field named "myString" 
would require a bunch of escaping. E.g., perhaps (I don't know JSON so well) 
like

"myString" : "\{ \"foo\": \"bar\" \""

This will be interesting to test.


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From: Interrante, John A (GE Research, US) <john.interra...@ge.com>
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 7:36 AM
To: dev@daffodil.apache.org <dev@daffodil.apache.org>
Subject: RE: XML String in Binary Data Question

I was waiting for someone to offer an opinion but it seems it's up to me.  
First of all, please write an actual test case of binary data with a 
well-formed piece of XML data inside a string.  Please round trip it through 
Daffodil so we can actually find out how well both the parser and the unparser 
handle this data.  I find it hard to believe Daffodil doesn't already use some 
escaping or quoting mechanism to handle this kind of situation where the 
infoset (represented as XML) contains an element whose body looks like 
well-formed XML elements in their own turn.

Even if this situation causes the Daffodil unparser to explode, what's to stop 
you from telling Daffodil to represent the infoset as JSON rather than XML?  
Surely the Daffodil unparser wouldn't have a problem unparsing the JSON 
representation with XML elements inside a string element?

I also would be curious to find out whether the infoset's JSON representation 
has a similar problem handling an actual test case of binary data with a 
well-formed piece of JSON data inside a string.

Once we know what really happens (and we also can run the same JSON/XML test 
cases through IBM's Daffodil processor to get more data points), we can start 
to discuss what's the best solution to handle this kind of situation for both 
JSON and XML infoset representations automatically.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: Beckerle, Mike <mbecke...@owlcyberdefense.com>
Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 12:50 PM
To: dev@daffodil.apache.org
Subject: EXT: XML String in Binary Data Question

I've started running into binary data containing XML strings.

If Daffodil is unparsing a piece of XML Like this:

<bodyString><ns:well formed="piece">of arbitrary xml</ns:well></bodyString>

Suppose the DFDL schema for bodyString is:

<element name="bodyString" type="xs:string" dfdl:lengthKind="explicit" 
dfdl:length="{....}"/>

So the notion here is that the data contains a string, which is a well-formed 
piece of XML.
For example, the overall format may be binary data that just happens to contain 
this string of XML in it.

I suspect that the Daffodil unparser is just going to explode on this, because 
it will be fed element events for the string contents. I.e., the unparsing 
converts the incoming XML text to infoset events by first parsing it as XML, 
and that process is schema-unaware, so has no notion that the XML parse should 
NOT parse the parts of the body string as XML elements.

Does it make sense for Daffodil's XML-text infoset importer (used by unparsing) 
to recognize this case, and convert the <ns:well formed="piece">of arbitrary 
xml</ns:well> into an escapified XML string like:

&lt;ns:well formed=&quot;piece&quot;&gt;of arbitrary xml&lt;/ns:well&gt;

and then unparse it as if that string had arrived as this XML event to the 
unparser/XML-text Infoset inputter:

<bodyString>&lt;ns:well formed=&quot;piece&quot;&gt;of arbitrary 
xml&lt;/ns:well&gt;</bodyString>

So would an option to have this behavior be a reasonable thing to add to 
Daffodil?

The corresponding parse feature would be to emit the string not as escapified 
XML, but just as a string of text of well-formed XML.

I guess the notion is that escapifying strings is because the string contents 
may not be well-formed XML, but in this case since they ARE well formed pieces 
of XML, when a string is required we can emit unescapified XML, and also 
consume the same for unparsing and convert into strings.

Thoughts?

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