On 11/6/2019 3:25 PM, Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > >> The list will be all availids. > Is that all emails people have subscribed to all lists or just certain lists? > Or something based on Apache IDs? Or what's recorded in LDAP? Each of this is > going to generate a different set of email addresses.
AvailIds is the apache Ids when people get an @apache.org address. > Some things that come to mind. Have these been considered? > - Some contributors do not have an Apache ID / are not in LDAP. (You get one > when you become a committer.) This is not going to reach all contributors but all committers. The mechanism to reach all contributors is the email to all PMCs asking them to post to their users/dev lists and request responses. > - Some people have subscribed under multiple emails addresses to different > lists Not applicable. > - Emails address people use are not always the ones recorded in ldap (see for > instance see the number of PMCs recorded as not signed up to their private > lists as reported by Whimsy, when they have just signed up via other > addresses). We are relying on their @apache.org address working. > - People have multiple email address recorded in LDAP > > If instance if I look myself up LDAP it has several email addresses for me, > but I also use other non recorded email addresses to subscribe to some lists. We are not getting a list of emails subscribed to lists. That would be bridging into spam territory where we don't have consent. I feel we do have consent to send an official Apache missive to your official Apache email address. > >> There are numerous ways it helps spamming because for 1, people replying >> with questions won't spm 7k other people. > We currently have 7131 committers, if you included contributors it would be > double that (or more). It’s still unclear how wide this group is that the > survey link will sent to using this method. When sending to a list the reply > to address could be set so that people don’t spam each other. I would state that availids which is 1:1 with committers. Hopefully this email clears that up. > I assume we would want replies to go to the dev@diversity list, if people > have any questions about the survey or are having trouble filling it in we > can answer them. Yes. > >> Infra will generate the list. I expect it to be a trivial ldap to csv. > Our contributors are not (that I’m aware) stored in LDAP, only committers are. Agreed. >> For the social media and pmc posts, we would use a single reusable survey >> token. > So we are posting to the lists as well? It might be best to put exactly what > the plan is on a wiki page so everyone is clear what is expected to happen. That would be captured in Jira likely in DI-30. For now, the issue at hand is the vote about how it will be sent to the committers. -- Kevin A. McGrail [email protected] Member, Apache Software Foundation Chair Emeritus Apache SpamAssassin Project https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmcgrail - 703.798.0171
