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Historically rules of confidentiality have also protected the innocent from false accusations and trial by media. It's very hard to find the right balance. How might the ASF best handle a situation like this? Ross ________________________________ From: Patricia Shanahan <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 6:18:52 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: FYI Could you clarify who would be prohibited from public statements by this? Historically, rules requiring confidentiality have been used to restrict victims of harassment from talking publicly about incidents. That has let harassment and assault continue by preventing discovery of a pattern of behavior with multiple victims. On 11/9/2019 4:55 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > I don't know the details on the circumstances here, but it seems to me that > the point of "public accusations" should constitute harassment in and of > itself. Do we make that explicit? > > // Niclas > > On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 8:19 AM Matt Sicker <[email protected]> wrote: > >> This is just Uncle Bob being reactionary. What else is new? >> >> On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 14:28 Kevin A. McGrail <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Yeah just bringing it for others to loop in. >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 8, 2019, 15:26 Sally Khudairi <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Quite a bit of activity about this on Twitter yesterday... >>>> >>>> - - - >>>> Vice President Marketing & Publicity >>>> Vice President Sponsor Relations >>>> The Apache Software Foundation >>>> >>>> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | [email protected] >>>> >>>> On Fri, Nov 8, 2019, at 15:18, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: >>>>> >>>> >>> >> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fblog.cleancoder.com%2Funcle-bob%2F2019%2F11%2F08%2FOpenLetterLinuxFoundation.html&data=02%7C01%7CRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7C3fd9ab83d1884f6c043a08d765846506%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637089491620296831&sdata=z3qcdMSTYuHeaLivL6ooPBUjYeZDTPqICIIlfihZpCE%3D&reserved=0 >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Kevin A. McGrail >>>>> Member, Apache Software Foundation >>>>> Chair Emeritus Apache SpamAssassin Project >>>>> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Fkmcgrail&data=02%7C01%7CRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7C3fd9ab83d1884f6c043a08d765846506%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637089491620296831&sdata=iw2%2F9S7KS%2BWm3eUzvpMTvuH3%2Fs3MoxEcK6aMQwnxG%2BU%3D&reserved=0 >>>>> - 703.798.0171 >>>>> >>>> >>> >> -- >> Matt Sicker <[email protected]> >> > >
