> > From: Konstantin Ananyev [mailto:konstantin.anan...@huawei.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, 9 April 2024 15.39
> >
> > > > From: David Marchand [mailto:david.march...@redhat.com]
> > > > Sent: Friday, 5 April 2024 16.46
> > > >
> > > > Mandate use of rte_eth_tx_prepare() in the mbuf Tx checksum offload
> > > > examples.
> > >
> > > I strongly disagree with this change!
> > >
> > > It will cause a huge performance degradation for shaping applications:
> > >
> > > A packet will be processed and finalized at an output or forwarding
> > pipeline stage, where some other fields might also be written, so
> > > zeroing e.g. the out_ip checksum at this stage has low cost (no new
> > cache misses).
> > >
> > > Then, the packet might be queued for QoS or similar.
> > >
> > > If rte_eth_tx_prepare() must be called at the egress pipeline stage,
> > it has to write to the packet and cause a cache miss per packet,
> > > instead of simply passing on the packet to the NIC hardware.
> > >
> > > It must be possible to finalize the packet at the output/forwarding
> > pipeline stage!
> >
> > If you can finalize your packet on output/forwarding, then why you
> > can't invoke tx_prepare() on the same stage?
> > There seems to be some misunderstanding about what tx_prepare() does -
> > in fact it doesn't communicate with HW queue (doesn't update TXD ring,
> > etc.), what it does - just make changes in mbuf itself.
> > Yes, it reads some fields in SW TX queue struct (max number of TXDs per
> > packet, etc.), but AFAIK it is safe
> > to call tx_prepare() and tx_burst() from different threads.
> > At least on implementations I am aware about.
> > Just checked the docs - it seems not stated explicitly anywhere, might
> > be that's why it causing such misunderstanding.
> >
> > >
> > > Also, how is rte_eth_tx_prepare() supposed to work for cloned packets
> > egressing on different NIC hardware?
> >
> > If you create a clone of full packet (including L2/L3) headers then
> > obviously such construction might not
> > work properly with tx_prepare() over two different NICs.
> > Though In majority of cases you do clone segments with data, while at
> > least L2 headers are put into different segments.
> > One simple approach would be to keep L3 header in that separate segment.
> > But yes, there is a problem when you'll need to send exactly the same
> > packet over different NICs.
> > As I remember, for bonding PMD things don't work quite well here - you
> > might have a bond over 2 NICs with
> > different tx_prepare() and which one to call might be not clear till
> > actual PMD tx_burst() is invoked.
> >
> > >
> > > In theory, it might get even worse if we make this opaque instead of
> > transparent and standardized:
> > > One PMD might reset out_ip checksum to 0x0000, and another PMD might
> > reset it to 0xFFFF.
> >
> > >
> > > I can only see one solution:
> > > We need to standardize on common minimum requirements for how to
> > prepare packets for each TX offload.
> >
> > If we can make each and every vendor to agree here - that definitely
> > will help to simplify things quite a bit.
>
> An API is more than a function name and parameters.
> It also has preconditions and postconditions.
>
> All major NIC vendors are contributing to DPDK.
> It should be possible to reach consensus for reasonable minimum requirements
> for offloads.
> Hardware- and driver-specific exceptions can be documented with the offload
> flag, or with rte_eth_rx/tx_burst(), like the note to
> rte_eth_rx_burst():
> "Some drivers using vector instructions require that nb_pkts is divisible by
> 4 or 8, depending on the driver implementation."
If we introduce a rule that everyone supposed to follow and then straightway
allow people to have a 'documented exceptions',
for me it means like 'no rule' in practice.
A 'documented exceptions' approach might work if you have 5 different PMDs to
support, but not when you have 50+.
No-one would write an app with possible 10 different exception cases in his
head.
Again, with such approach we can forget about backward compatibility.
I think we already had this discussion before, my opinion remains the same here
-
'documented exceptions' approach is a way to trouble.
> You mention the bonding driver, which is a good example.
> The rte_eth_tx_burst() documentation has a note about the API postcondition
> exception for the bonding driver:
> "This function must not modify mbufs (including packets data) unless the
> refcnt is 1. An exception is the bonding PMD, [...], mbufs
> may be modified."
For me, what we've done for bonding tx_prepare/tx_burst() is a really bad
example.
Initial agreement and design choice was that tx_burst() should not modify
contents of the packets
(that actually was one of the reasons why tx_prepare() was introduced).
The only reason I agreed on that exception - because I couldn't come-up with
something less uglier.
Actually, these problems with bonding PMD made me to start thinking that current
tx_prepare/tx_burst approach might need to be reconsidered somehow.
> > Then we can probably have one common tx_prepare() for all vendors ;)
>
> Yes, that would be the goal.
> More realistically, the ethdev layer could perform the common checks, and
> only the non-conforming drivers would have to implement
> their specific tweaks.
Hmm, but that's what we have right now:
- fields in mbuf and packet data that user has to fill correctly and dev
specific tx_prepare().
How what you suggest will differ then?
And how it will help let say with bonding PMD situation, or with TX-ing of the
same packet over 2 different NICs?
> If we don't standardize the meaning of the offload flags, the application
> developers cannot trust them!
> I'm afraid this is the current situation - application developers either test
> with specific NIC hardware, or don't use the offload features.
Well, I have used TX offloads through several projects, it worked quite well.
Though have to admit, never have to use TX offloads together with our bonding
PMD.
