+1 on moving ahead on making Karaf a subproject at Felix
On Apr 4, 2009, at 8:18 , Richard S. Hall wrote:
I am happy to have the ServiceMix Kernel become a Felix subproject,
but
if the people involved wanted to pursue a TLP instead, I would happy
with that decision too. But I wouldn't be happy if a TLP was pursued
only because there is this perception that Felix subprojects are for
Felix only. That just perpetuates people's ignorance.
Agreed, we should think hard about how to communicate that bundles are
just bundles. That's not an easy battle though, because in quite a few
other implementations, most bundles are strongly tied to extensions
that are specific to that framework.
<rant>
Some examples:
In Knopflerfish, most bundles have a dependency on their extended
LogService, which arguably is "just another bundle" but it still is
inconvenient that you have to drag in other bundles of the same
implementation (in this case, for very little reason).
In Equinox, or rather in Eclipse, there are a lot of components that
are wired up through require bundle dependencies (which is a mechanism
that should have been deprecated from the start anyway). This makes it
very hard to get any type of substitutability.
In Spring, arguably not an OSGi implementation, but they mention the
word OSGi so often that I'm mentioning them here anyway, it's also
quite hard to just use small components of their code because there
too are so many dependencies amongst core bundles that it's hard to
"pick and choose".
</rant>
+10000 for the web site changes. Anyone willing to take a stab at it?
Yes. There are two things that currently holding me back a bit:
a) we do not have a staging environment, which would be nice for such
a big reorganization because it will take some time and that would
leave our website in an "undefined state" for some time
b) I need to figure out a way to directly see changes in the auto
export, because having to wait for hours before I can see updates is
inconvenient when making big changes
I probably could make this work by trying to install a private copy of
Confluence to make all changes and export/import everything but that
would require "locking" the space in the mean time (does not really
sound like a good solution).
Greetings, Marcel
