Shumway is really good. Use it in droid Firefox On Mar 15, 2013 12:13 PM, "jude" <flexcapaci...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This looks interesting. It's not clear if other browsers can use this > project or will use it. He also states it's only supporting features up to > version 10 at this time. > > Shumway is an experimental web-native runtime implementation of the SWF > file format. It is developed as a free and open source project sponsored by > Mozilla Research. The project has two main goals: > > 1. Advance the open web platform to securely process rich media formats > that were previously only available in closed and proprietary > implementations. > 2. Offer a runtime processor for SWF and other rich media formats on > platforms for which runtime implementations are not available. > > > https://blog.mozilla.org/research/2012/11/12/introducing-the-shumway-open-swf-runtime-project/ > > > On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On 3/14/13 10:45 AM, "jude" <flexcapaci...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > One of the reasons we like Flash and Flex is because it gives the > > > consistent visual results across platforms. I'm a little concerned that > > we > > > are adopting JS and HTML approaches and will then inherit it's > problems. > > IE > > > leaving the view to HTML. > > I am concerned about that as well. I think there will be a curve where > you > > can get "pretty close" really quickly, but as you try to make it more and > > more consistent it will cost you. I think most folks will make a > trade-off > > at some point. > > > > The only way to guarantee consistency is to spend a lot of time on a > > standalone rendering engine, and that just isn't practical in my view. > > > > If you play with the prototype, it leverages absolute position and so > far, > > it seems to work reasonably consistently. What isn't consistent is the > > default chrome around widgets. I'm not an expert on HTML/JS, but I > believe > > the biggest inconsistencies are around text flow and this framework is so > > far not using that. It may turn out that we can get your widgets to > layout > > the same, but the cost of getting text to flow the same is high and won't > > be > > in early versions). Hopefully that would still be a viable strategy for > > many. > > > > > > > > One of the potentials I see in the Flex to HTML / JS projects is that > we > > > will eventually be able to create the same app from the same code base > > and > > > get the same look and feel as we do in Flash Player / AIR. If we have > to > > > start worrying about visual inconsistencies between browsers or export > > HTML > > > and CSS with patches for different browsers then what is the advantage? > > IMO, it is the job of the SDK developers to hide those inconsistencies > from > > the site/app developers using the SDK. And that would be the advantage > to > > the users. > > > > > > > > I know there is an advantage. It's that we can use AS instead of JS so > > you > > > get all the advantages of AS, like a strongly typed languages, packages > > > etc. I think that's the Randori approach. That's a huge. But it doesn't > > > address the view. At the end of the day we would still need to write > the > > > view in HTML or in your version of Flex use raster images instead > vector > > > graphics? Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm still in a wait and see. > > Try the prototype. You write your view in MXML. I think I'm going to go > > with bitmaps first, but if there is a way to use SVG hopefully someone > will > > make it work. This is Apache, not Adobe. Peter, Erik and I are not just > > developing a product for you to consume. We need as many people as > > possible > > to contribute, not just wait for 3 folks to try to do what a full team at > > Adobe did. > > > > > > > > I'm interested in seeing if we can get the same vector output in HTML > as > > we > > > do in Flash. I think Frank mentioned he has a Flash JS runtime > container > > > that runs on the HTML Canvas (charts demo?). I would rather we target > > that > > > (HTML canvas, drawing API), even if it's poorer performance at the > > present > > > time. We can always do runtime performance measurement and turn off > some > > or > > > all of our animations on slower browsers. But from a quick look online > > I'm > > > reading many / all the major browsers are hitting 40 to 60 FPS for HTML > > > Canvas on similar drawing calls to what we have in Flash. > > > > > > I can look into HTML5 performance and how it performs across browsers > > > (mobile may be much faster than desktop?). I'm sure Frank has the > numbers > > > and more information on this so I'll wait here before looking further > > into > > > it reply. > > > > > > I bring this up because I've been writing mobile and desktop app and in > > my > > > view for my apps, vector support is becoming much more important than I > > > thought as I target more platforms (and now retina displays). I'd argue > > > more for consistent look is more important than performance. That's > like > > a > > > holy grail and major pain point in HTML development (or was for me). I > > > don't know. Thoughts? My 2 cents. > > Om says that SVG skinning is possible in HTML5. If that's true, > hopefully > > one of you or both of you or some others will help make that happen. > > > > -- > > Alex Harui > > Flex SDK Team > > Adobe Systems, Inc. > > http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui > > > > >
