Hi Jude, I also read your whole rant and you have valid points there. I don’t think there was opposition when you donated Radii8. Although sometimes the enthusiasm in donations can get drowned out by the noise of the annoying technical details.
I was actually surprised when you went completely silent on the subject after the donation. I was expecting “movement and noise” coming from you. I think most of us see value in the design view, but everyone is busy, and if things progress, it’s usually the person most passionate about a specific feature or tool who pushes it forward. That’s just the way it is with open source projects. I hope your commercial version is successful. I also wish there was more funding to help push Flex forward quicker, but unless a specific company has a vested interest in doing so, it’s not gonna happen. Harbs On Dec 3, 2015, at 7:41 AM, jude <flexcapaci...@gmail.com> wrote: > This post bounced for me because of the image attachments. So I'm not sure > if the original message made it through. But here's the email from > yesterday: > > Oh and I meant to post these images (below). Most of you won't care because > you can write MXML UI faster than in a GUI but for the designers in us and > your designer friends that ask you to build them a website for the fiftieth > time please send them to this project. > > And the main thing I hear from hard core developers about the FB designer > was it sucked. Well, yeah, we all knew it needed work and wasn't getting > any attention or improvements. But a lot of our software sucks too if we > don't work at it. If we were able to dedicate time and energy to it it > would be a different story. So rant over. Today was a bad day so I'm > venting I don't care. > > Here are the screenshots: > http://imgur.com/2y3PVW3 > http://i.imgur.com/booD25Z.png > http://imgur.com/CivASZL > > > > > On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 12:35 AM, jude <flexcapaci...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> BTW I do plan to help on Flex JS when the time is right. That is when it's >> more stable, when it has a few more design and development features to it. >> >> In Radiate I have Import and Export transpilers. For MXML it's been easy >> to import and export (sortof). For HTML export it's been hell and the bain >> of my existence. For Android XML markup it's as easy as MXML. >> >> With FlexJS it shouldn't be too much harder to generate FlexJS compatible >> MXML than regular MXML export. FYI Radiate exports markup layouts in the >> language of your choice from the design view. Each component on the stage >> has an associated component descriptor object that has properties, styles, >> events and a reference to the instance. Using this information you can >> export to whatever language you like. >> >> Relatively recently, I switched to working on a desktop "IDE" rather than >> the web "design view". mainly because no one wants to work in a browser. >> Well maybe but the numbers weren't there and people would ask for features >> that weren't possible in a browser. So I created a desktop version in a few >> days, yay for AIR cross-platform, and just for kicks enabled AceEditor >> <https://github.com/monkeypunch3/flexcapacitor/blob/master/MainLibrary/src/com/flexcapacitor/controls/AceEditor.as> >> which I tried to integrate in the past but wouldn't work with Flash. The >> new version worked and now it has a real editor <http://ace.c9.io/> in >> it. >> >> So since R8 is running on the desktop and it has a real editor it's >> possible to talk to the compilers and get error reporting and warnings. I >> don't know how to do code completion but AceEditor has a code completion >> API. As you type you can pass JSON objects of possible autocomplete words. >> I know how to do the examples but I don't know how to do it with FlexJS, >> Flex, etc. CSS and HTML have code completion out of the box. >> >> Anyway, whatever Josh, Alex, Harbs, et all do not do I hope to do. I plan >> to add some support for FlexJS code generation (and possibly compiler >> integration). Create new projects, edit them and compile them. Again, I >> don't know how to do code completion with AS3, Flex, FlexJS, etc. >> >> BTW I am open sourcing parts of it as I go such as the importers and >> exporters, new components and other classes. So if you don't like how I >> export the MXML or HTML you can go to FlexCapacitor, >> https://github.com/monkeypunch3/flexcapacitor, make some changes and then >> submit a pull request. >> >> Do not read this next part unless you want to hear me ranting and >> complaining. But because it's unclear to some people I'm mentioning this >> project I'm going to clarify some things. I donated the radiate code more >> than a year ago to apache. There was a huge amount of overhead and legal >> bureaucracy to accomplish it. I thought people would want it but there was >> resistance. "Was it good enough? Do we want it? Does it fit at apache" - to >> me I was almost felt like saying saying, "f*@0 you guys" I made this for >> you as a gift and you don't know if you want it? >> I worked on the project in my free time for years and couldn't believe >> what I was hearing. It was not a good month. A few people supported me >> donating it and I thought the Flex community might care about having a >> design view again at some point in the future. Since it was donated I >> didn't hear anyone working on it or any interest in taking it farther. Not >> on this list. In my personal email a few people were happy to see something >> but didn't have the time or resources to help. I wasn't too upset because >> to be honest parts of it were shit but those parts had to be written >> quickly so the other parts could work. I could always go back and fix it >> and one startup developer I talked to gave me the advice that the first gen >> code is always throw away. In my mind it was "refactor". His startup was >> doing well >> >> So again I was surprised an open source project was not fully embraced, >> appreciated or supported. ... I could go on but my whole point is that open >> source has a bunch of lies surrounding it. Look at OpenSSL. It powered half >> the webs ecommerce and do you know how much money was donated >> <http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/04/tech-giants-chastened-by-heartbleed-finally-agree-to-fund-openssl/> >> to it? It was something like $2000 per year and was maintained by one >> developer. WTF guys? >> >> That project generated billions of dollars and no one supported it. My >> point is, after that first point, is that I'm trying to commercial radiate >> so that I can keep working on it. I'm giving some parts back to the OS >> community as I can but some part of me feels like I have to explain this. >> Like I'm not part of the OS crowd because I'm trying to make it survive. >> >> I'm happy for this FlexJS and NextGenActionScript but seriously, we suck >> donkey balls at raising money and supporting our work. Angular, typscript, >> all those other ones are getting resources, popularity in the biased >> asshole media. The company that shall not be named was horrible and still >> is horrible at marketing. I made a list and they are the number one worst >> company for marketing. So my point is we have to change or get better at >> this. If the media attacks it rip these assholes apart. IE defend it with a >> vengeance. >> >> Sorry rant over. If legal gets in the way F* them too. Justin, keep >> watching our back but if all the legal is prevent releases or progress FUCK >> IT. Just get shit out. ok rant really over now. >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 4:32 PM, jude <flexcapaci...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I saw this on Twitter, ""Introducing NextGen ActionScript" via @ >>> *joshtynjala* <https://twitter.com/joshtynjala> => http:// >>> joshblog.net/2015/introducing-nextgen-actionscript/ … >>> <https://t.co/AnMp1Vw7p7>" >>> >>> Not to be nitpicky but I think it's misleading. I'm stoked about the new >>> website and tutorials. In fact everything, but when I read, "NextGen >>> ActionScript" I thought of the NextGen AS3 project that Adobe started and >>> then abandoned. Knowing that it wasn't the Adobe project but knowing what >>> you've been working on I immediately did believe AS3 was going to be >>> getting new features. I didn't want to get my hopes up that it was an AS3.5 >>> or AS4 type of project but after reading the blog post I was still >>> disappointed even with all of the good news in it. >>> >>> To me the title is misleading and other AS3 devs may respond the same way >>> when they read it. While we are trying to announce the good news about F-JS >>> we might want to make clearer the distinction. BTW If these things are >>> planned and or I've misunderstood let me know. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Josh Tynjala <joshtynj...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks for the reminder. I'll get the trademark attribution cleaned up >>>> this >>>> week. >>>> >>>> Would it be acceptable to create a specific legal page, linked from the >>>> footer, that displays the Apache Flex trademark attribution text? I >>>> should >>>> probably acknowledge some Adobe trademarks too, just to be safe, so >>>> that's >>>> going to be a lot to add to the footer. The page you linked seems to >>>> imply >>>> that's allowed, as long as all trademark attribution is in the same >>>> place, >>>> but I figured I'd check. >>>> >>>> - Josh >>>> On Nov 29, 2015 2:10 AM, "Justin Mclean" <justinmcl...@me.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> We have to be a little careful here to not be seen to endorse 3rd >>>> parties >>>>> from our official site. >>>>> >>>>> Currently that code is "Copyright 2015 Bowler Hat LLC” and not under >>>> any >>>>> obvious license, it would be nice if that was made clearer. >>>>> >>>>> Josh it would also be good if you attribute Apache trademarks correctly >>>>> [1] and if you could and link back to the Apache Flex web site. Just >>>> adding >>>>> a TM to the first mention and a line in the footer is all that is >>>> needed. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Justin >>>>> >>>>> 1. http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/#guidelines >>>> >>> >>> >>
