Okay, I wrote a lot there tl:dr = Let's make sure people understand that the Stratosphere paper does not describe Flink.
On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Matthias J. Sax < mj...@informatik.hu-berlin.de> wrote: > I can't follow. Stratosphere is only mentioned in the "History" part. Of > course, we can strike out "Stratosphere II" and make clear that Flink is > a fork on Stratosphere. But that is minor. > > And adding the Stratosphere papers as a reference, was the requirement > to get the article accepted in the first place. Thus, it would not make > sense to remove them. Currently, there are no other "reliable and > notable" source (in term of Wikipedia guidelines) that can be used as > references. > > Of course, the article is super short and needs to be extended. But the > project is moving fast and only "stable" stuff should be on Wikipedia. > It is hard enough to keep the project web page up to data. ;) Maybe, we > can discuss what should be included and what not. > > > -Matthias > > > > On 07/07/2015 04:17 PM, Stephan Ewen wrote: > > Thanks, Matthias, for starting this. > > > > It looks a bit like the article talks more about the Stratosphere project > > than Flink right now. > > I think we need to make a few things clear, to not confuse people: > > > > 1) Flink != Stratosphere. When looking at the Stratosphere Paper and when > > looking at Flink, you look at two completely different things. It is not > > just that a name changed. > > > > 2) It is not Stratosphere that became an Apache project. The project that > > became Apache Flink was forked from a subset of the Stratosphere project > > (core runtime only). That subset covered 1.5 out of the 5 areas of > > Stratosphere. > > > > When Flink became an Apache project, the only features it contained that > > were developed as part of Stratosphere, were the iterations, and the > > optimizer. Everything else had been re-developed. > > > > 3) Flink has nothing to do with Stratosphere II. Even though that > research > > project talks about streaming, they have a very different angle to that. > > > > > > I am writing this, because we are working heavy on making it easier for > > people to grasp what Flink is, and what it is not. > > A system with so many features and so much different technology is bound > to > > be hard to grasp. > > > > The article gives people sources that seemingly describe what Flink is, > but > > have little to do with what it is. > > > > > > The relationship between Flink and Stratosphere is actually the > following: > > Flink is based on some research outcomes of Stratosphere (I), and was > > bootstrapped from a fork of the Stratosphere code base of late 2013. Ever > > since, these two have been proceeding independently. > > > > I would suggest to change the article to clearly reflect that. Otherwise, > > we will not do Flink a favor, but confuse people. > > > > Greetings, > > Stephan > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Henry Saputra <henry.sapu...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > >> Nice work indeed! > >> > >> - Henry > >> > >> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:25 AM, Chiwan Park <chiwanp...@apache.org> > wrote: > >>> Great! Nice start. :) > >>> The logo is shown now. > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> Chiwan Park > >>> > >>>> On Jul 7, 2015, at 5:06 PM, Maximilian Michels <m...@apache.org> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Cool. Nice work, Matthias, and thanks for starting it off. > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 11:45 PM, Matthias J. Sax < > >>>> mj...@informatik.hu-berlin.de> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Hi squirrels, > >>>>> > >>>>> I am happy to announce Flink on Wikipedia: > >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Flink > >>>>> > >>>>> The Logo Request is still pending, but should be online soon. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -Matthias > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > >
