Hi,

About a year ago I spoke at the Flink Forward conference (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqRDyrE3dwg ) about handling development
problems regarding streaming applications and handling the lack of events
in a stream.
Something I spoke about towards the end of this talk was the idea to ship
the watermarks of a Flink topology into the intermediate transport between
applications so you wouldn't need to recreate them.

At that time it was just an idea, today I'm actually trying to build that
and see if this idea is actually possible.

So the class of applications I work on usually do a keyBy on something like
a SessionId, SensorId or IP address.
In low traffic scenarios this means that in Kafka some partitions are
completely idle which makes Windows/GroupBy type operations impossible (in
my talk I explain it a lot better).

I have a test setup right now to play around with this and I'm running into
a bit of a conceptual hurdle for which I'm looking for help.

My goal is to ship the watermarks from within a topology into Kafka and
then let a follow up application extract those watermarks again and simply
continue.
The new SinkWriter interface has a void writeWatermark(Watermark
watermark) method
that seems intended for this kind of thing.
The basic operations like writing a watermark into Kafka, reading it again
and then recreating the watermark again works in my test setup (very messy
code but it works).

My hurdle has to do with the combination of
- different parallelism numbers between Flink and Kafka (how do I ship 2
watermarks into 3 partitions)
- the fact that if you do a keyBy (both in Flink and Kafka) there is a
likely mismatch between the Flink 'partition' and the Kafka `partition`.
- processing speed differences between various threads (like session "A"
needs more CPU cycles/time/processing than session "B") will lead to
skewing of the progression between them.
- watermarks in separate threads in a single Flink topology are not
synchronized (they cannot and should not be).

Has anyone any pointers on possible ways to handle this?

Right now my only idea is to ship the watermark into all partitions (as
they do not have a key!) and let the consuming application determine the
"real watermark" based on the mix of watermarks coming in from the upstream
threads.

All suggestions and ideas are appreciated.

-- 
Best regards / Met vriendelijke groeten,

Niels Basjes

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