Thanks Tamir for the information. According to the latest comment of the task FLINK-24998, this bug should be gone while using the latest JDK 17. I was wondering whether it means that there are no more issues to stop us releasing a major Flink version to support Java 17? Did I miss something?
Best regards, Jing On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 8:18 AM Tamir Sagi <tamir.s...@niceactimize.com> wrote: > More details about the JDK bug here > https://bugs.openjdk.org/browse/JDK-8277529 > > Related Jira ticket > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-24998 > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Jing Ge via user <u...@flink.apache.org> > *Sent:* Monday, April 24, 2023 11:15 PM > *To:* Chesnay Schepler <ches...@apache.org> > *Cc:* Piotr Nowojski <pnowoj...@apache.org>; Alexis Sarda-Espinosa < > sarda.espin...@gmail.com>; Martijn Visser <martijnvis...@apache.org>; > dev@flink.apache.org <dev@flink.apache.org>; user <u...@flink.apache.org> > *Subject:* Re: [Discussion] - Release major Flink version to support JDK > 17 (LTS) > > > *EXTERNAL EMAIL* > > > Thanks Chesnay for working on this. Would you like to share more info > about the JDK bug? > > Best regards, > Jing > > On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 11:39 AM Chesnay Schepler <ches...@apache.org> > wrote: > > As it turns out Kryo isn't a blocker; we ran into a JDK bug. > > On 31/03/2023 08:57, Chesnay Schepler wrote: > > > https://github.com/EsotericSoftware/kryo/wiki/Migration-to-v5#migration-guide > > Kroy themselves state that v5 likely can't read v2 data. > > However, both versions can be on the classpath without classpath as v5 > offers a versioned artifact that includes the version in the package. > > It probably wouldn't be difficult to migrate a savepoint to Kryo v5, > purely from a read/write perspective. > > The bigger question is how we expose this new Kryo version in the API. If > we stick to the versioned jar we need to either duplicate all current > Kryo-related APIs or find a better way to integrate other serialization > stacks. > On 30/03/2023 17:50, Piotr Nowojski wrote: > > Hey, > > > 1. The Flink community agrees that we upgrade Kryo to a later version, > which means breaking all checkpoint/savepoint compatibility and releasing a > Flink 2.0 with Java 17 support added and Java 8 and Flink Scala API support > dropped. This is probably the quickest way, but would still mean that we > expose Kryo in the Flink APIs, which is the main reason why we haven't been > able to upgrade Kryo at all. > > This sounds pretty bad to me. > > Has anyone looked into what it would take to provide a smooth migration > from Kryo2 -> Kryo5? > > Best, > Piotrek > > czw., 30 mar 2023 o 16:54 Alexis Sarda-Espinosa <sarda.espin...@gmail.com> > napisał(a): > > Hi Martijn, > > just to be sure, if all state-related classes use a POJO serializer, Kryo > will never come into play, right? Given FLINK-16686 [1], I wonder how many > users actually have jobs with Kryo and RocksDB, but even if there aren't > many, that still leaves those who don't use RocksDB for > checkpoints/savepoints. > > If Kryo were to stay in the Flink APIs in v1.X, is it impossible to let > users choose between v2/v5 jars by separating them like log4j2 jars? > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-16686 > > Regards, > Alexis. > > Am Do., 30. März 2023 um 14:26 Uhr schrieb Martijn Visser < > martijnvis...@apache.org>: > > Hi all, > > I also saw a thread on this topic from Clayton Wohl [1] on this topic, > which I'm including in this discussion thread to avoid that it gets lost. > > From my perspective, there's two main ways to get to Java 17: > > 1. The Flink community agrees that we upgrade Kryo to a later version, > which means breaking all checkpoint/savepoint compatibility and releasing a > Flink 2.0 with Java 17 support added and Java 8 and Flink Scala API support > dropped. This is probably the quickest way, but would still mean that we > expose Kryo in the Flink APIs, which is the main reason why we haven't been > able to upgrade Kryo at all. > 2. There's a contributor who makes a contribution that bumps Kryo, but > either a) automagically reads in all old checkpoints/savepoints in using > Kryo v2 and writes them to new snapshots using Kryo v5 (like is mentioned > in the Kryo migration guide [2][3] or b) provides an offline tool that > allows users that are interested in migrating their snapshots manually > before starting from a newer version. That potentially could prevent the > need to introduce a new Flink major version. In both scenarios, ideally the > contributor would also help with avoiding the exposure of Kryo so that we > will be in a better shape in the future. > > It would be good to get the opinion of the community for either of these > two options, or potentially for another one that I haven't mentioned. If it > appears that there's an overall agreement on the direction, I would propose > that a FLIP gets created which describes the entire process. > > Looking forward to the thoughts of others, including the Users (therefore > including the User ML). > > Best regards, > > Martijn > > [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/qcw8wy9dv8szxx9bh49nz7jnth22p1v2 > [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/gv49jfkhmbshxdvzzozh017ntkst3sgq > [3] https://github.com/EsotericSoftware/kryo/wiki/Migration-to-v5 > > On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 8:16 AM Tamir Sagi <tamir.s...@niceactimize.com> > wrote: > > I agree, there are several options to mitigate the migration from v2 to v5. > yet, Oracle roadmap is to end JDK 11 support in September this year. > > > > ________________________________ > From: ConradJam <jam.gz...@gmail.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2023 4:36 AM > To: dev@flink.apache.org <dev@flink.apache.org> > Subject: Re: [Discussion] - Release major Flink version to support JDK 17 > (LTS) > > EXTERNAL EMAIL > > > > Thanks for your start this discuss > > > I have been tracking this problem for a long time, until I saw a > conversation in ISSUSE a few days ago and learned that the Kryo version > problem will affect the JDK17 compilation of snapshots [1] FLINK-24998 , > > As @cherry said it ruined our whole effort towards JDK17 > > I am in favor of providing an external tool to migrate from Kryo old > version checkpoint to the new Kryo new checkpoint at one time (Maybe this > tool start in flink 2.0 ?), does this tool currently have any plans or > ideas worth discuss > > > I think it should not be difficult to be compatible with JDK11 and JDK17. > We should indeed abandon JDK8 in 2.0.0. It is also mentioned in the doc > that it is marked as Deprecated [2] > > > Here I add that we need to pay attention to the version of Scala and the > version of JDK17 > > > [1] FLINK-24998 IGSEGV in Kryo / C2 CompilerThread on Java 17 > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-24998 > > [2] FLINK-30501 Update Flink build instruction to deprecate Java 8 instead > of requiring Java 11 https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-30501 > > Tamir Sagi <tamir.s...@niceactimize.com> 于2023年3月16日周四 00:54写道： > > > Hey dev community, > > > > I'm writing this email to kick off a discussion following this epic: > > FLINK-15736<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-15736>. > > > > We are moving towards JDK 17 (LTS) , the only blocker now is Flink which > > currently remains on JDK 11 (LTS). Flink does not support JDK 17 yet, > with > > no timeline, the reason, based on the aforementioned ticket is the > > following tickets > > > > 1. FLINK-24998 - SIGSEGV in Kryo / C2 CompilerThread on Java 17< > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-24998>. > > 2. FLINK-3154 - Update Kryo version from 2.24.0 to latest Kryo LTS > > version<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-3154> > > > > My question is whether it is possible to release a major version (Flink > > 2.0.0) using the latest Kryo version for those who don't need to restore > > old savepoints/checkpoints in newer format. > > > > 1. Leverage JDK 17 features within JVM > > 2. Moving from the old format to the newer one will be handled only > > once - a mitigation can be achieved by a conversion tool or external > > serializers, both can be provided later on. > > > > I'd like to emphasize that the next JDK LTS (21) will be released this > > September. furthermore, Flink already supports JDK 12-15, which is very > > close to JDK 17 (LTS) - that was released in September 2021. JDK 11 will > > become a legacy soon, as more frameworks moving towards JDK 17 and are > less > > likely to support JDK 11 in the near future. (For example, Spring Boot 3 > > requires JDK 17 already). > > > > Thank you for your consideration of my request. > > > > Tamir. > > > > > > > > > > Confidentiality: This communication and any attachments are intended for > > the above-named persons only and may be confidential and/or legally > > privileged. Any opinions expressed in this communication are not > > necessarily those of NICE Actimize. 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