Hi Sergey,

Thanks for the clarification! I will not hijack this thread to discuss
Scala code strategy.

Best regards,
Jing

On Mon, Jul 3, 2023 at 10:51 AM Sergey Nuyanzin <snuyan...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Jing,
>
> Maybe I was not clear enough, sorry.
> However the main reason for this item about Calcite rules is not abandoning
> Scala.
> The main reason are changes in Calcite itself where there was introduced
> code generator framework (immutables)
> to generate config java classes for rules and old api (which is used in
> Scala Calcirte rules) for that is marked as deprecated.
> Since Immutables implies code generation while java compilation it seems
> impossible to use for rules in Scala code.
>
> On Mon, Jul 3, 2023 at 10:44 AM Jing Ge <j...@ververica.com.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Speaking of "Move Calcite rules from Scala to Java", I was wondering if
> > this thread is the right place to talk about it. Afaik, the Flink
> community
> > has decided to abandon Scala. That is the reason, I guess, we want to
> move
> > those Calcite rules from Scala to Java. On the other side, new Scala code
> > will be added while developing new features[1]. Do we have any thoughts
> > wrt the Scala code strategy?
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Jing
> >
> >
> >
> > [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/tnygl4n3q1fx75cl2vclc78j8mrxmz6y
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 3, 2023 at 10:31 AM Xintong Song <tonysong...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks all for the discussion.
> > >
> > >
> > > IIUC, we need to make the following changes. Please correct me if I get
> > it
> > > wrong.
> > >
> > >
> > > 1. Disaggregated State Management - Clarify that only the public API
> > > related part is must-have for 2.0.
> > >
> > > 2. Java version support - Split it into 3 items: a) make java 17 the
> > > default (must-have), b) drop java 8 (must-have), and c) drop java 11
> > > (nice-to-have)
> > >
> > > 3. Add MetricGroup#getLogicalScope - Should be promoted to must-have
> > >
> > > 4. ProcessFunction API - Should be downgrade to nice-to-have
> > >
> > > 5. Configuration - Add an item "revisit all config option types and
> > default
> > > values", which IIUC should also be a must-have
> > >
> > >
> > > There seems to be no changes needed for "Move Calcite rules from Scala
> to
> > > Java" as it's already nice-to-have.
> > >
> > >
> > > If there's no objections, I'll update the wiki page accordingly, and
> > start
> > > a VOTE in the next couple of days.
> > >
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Xintong
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 12:53 AM Teoh, Hong
> <lian...@amazon.co.uk.invalid
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks Xintong for driving the effort.
> > > >
> > > > I’d add a +1 to reworking configs, as suggested by @Jark and
> @Chesnay,
> > > > especially the types. We have various configs that encode Time /
> > > MemorySize
> > > > that are Long instead!
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Hong
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On 29 Jun 2023, at 16:19, Yuan Mei <yuanmei.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do
> > not
> > > > click links or open attachments unless you can confirm the sender and
> > > know
> > > > the content is safe.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for driving this effort, Xintong!
> > > > >
> > > > > To Chesnay
> > > > >> I'm curious as to why the "Disaggregated State Management" item is
> > > > >> marked as a must-have; will it require changes that break
> something?
> > > > >> What prevents it from being added in 2.1?
> > > > >
> > > > > As to "Disaggregated State Management".
> > > > >
> > > > > We plan to provide a new type of state backend to support DFS as
> > > primary
> > > > > storage.
> > > > > To achieve this, we at least need to include two parts of amends
> (not
> > > > > entirely sure yet, since we are still in the designing and
> prototype
> > > > phase)
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Statebackend Change
> > > > > 2. State Access Change
> > > > >
> > > > > Not all of the interfaces related are `@Internal`. Some of the
> > > interfaces
> > > > > like `StateBackend` is `@PublicEvolving`
> > > > > So, you are right in the sense that "Disaggregated State
> Management"
> > > > itself
> > > > > probably does not need to be a "Must Have"
> > > > >
> > > > > But I was hoping changes that related to public APIs can be
> finalized
> > > and
> > > > > merged in Flink 2.0 (I will fix the wiki accordingly).
> > > > >
> > > > > I also agree with Jark that 2.0 is a good chance to rework the
> > default
> > > > > value of configurations.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best
> > > > > Yuan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 8:43 PM Chesnay Schepler <
> ches...@apache.org
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Something else configuration-related is that there are a bunch of
> > > > >> options where the type isn't quite correct (e.g., a String where
> it
> > > > >> could be an enum, a string where it should be an int or
> something).
> > > > >> Could do a pass over those as well.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On 29/06/2023 13:50, Jark Wu wrote:
> > > > >>> Hi,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I think one more thing we need to consider to do in 2.0 is
> changing
> > > the
> > > > >>> default value of configuration to improve out-of-box user
> > experience.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Currently, in order to run a Flink job, users may need to set
> > > > >>> a bunch of configurations, such as minibatch, checkpoint
> interval,
> > > > >>> exactly-once,
> > > > >>> incremental-checkpoint, etc. It's very verbose and hard to use
> for
> > > > >>> beginners.
> > > > >>> Most of them can have a universally applicable value.  Because
> > > changing
> > > > >> the
> > > > >>> default value is a breaking change. I think It's worth
> considering
> > > > >> changing
> > > > >>> them in 2.0.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> What do you think?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Best,
> > > > >>> Jark
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 at 14:10, Sergey Nuyanzin <
> snuyan...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> Hi Chesnay
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>> "Move Calcite rules from Scala to Java": I would hope that this
> > > would
> > > > >> be
> > > > >>>>> an entirely internal change, and could thus be an incremental
> > > process
> > > > >>>>> independent of major releases.
> > > > >>>>> What is the actual scale of this item; how much are we actually
> > > > >>>> re-writing?
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Thanks for asking
> > > > >>>> yes, you're right, that should be internal change.
> > > > >>>> Yeah I was also thinking about incremental change (rule by rule
> or
> > > > >>>> reasonable small group of rules).
> > > > >>>> And yes, this could be an independent (on major release)
> activity
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> The problem is actually for children of RelOptRule.
> > > > >>>> Currently I see 60+ such rules (in Scala) using the mentioned
> > > > deprecated
> > > > >>>> api.
> > > > >>>> There are also children of ConverterRule (50+) which do not have
> > > such
> > > > >>>> issues.
> > > > >>>> Maybe it could be considered as the next step to have all the
> > rules
> > > in
> > > > >>>> Java.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 1:34 PM Xintong Song <
> > tonysong...@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>> Hi Alex & Gyula,
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> By compatibility discussion do you mean the "[DISCUSS]
> FLIP-321:
> > > > >>>> Introduce
> > > > >>>>>> an API deprecation process" thread [1]?
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Yes, I meant the FLIP-321 discussion. I just noticed I pasted
> the
> > > > wrong
> > > > >>>> url
> > > > >>>>> in my previous email. Sorry for the mistake.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> I am also curious to know if the rationale behind this new API
> > has
> > > > been
> > > > >>>>>> previously discussed on the mailing list. Do we have a list of
> > > > >>>>> shortcomings
> > > > >>>>>> in the current DataStream API that it tries to resolve? How
> does
> > > the
> > > > >>>>>> current ProcessFunction functionality fit into the picture?
> Will
> > > it
> > > > be
> > > > >>>>> kept
> > > > >>>>>> as is or subsumed by new API?
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>> I don't think we should create a replacement for the DataStream
> > API
> > > > >>>> unless
> > > > >>>>>> we have a very good reason to do so and with a proper
> discussion
> > > > about
> > > > >>>>> this
> > > > >>>>>> as Alex said.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> The ProcessFunction API which is targeting to replace
> DataStream
> > > API
> > > > is
> > > > >>>>> still a proposal, not a decision. Sorry for the confusion, I
> > should
> > > > >> have
> > > > >>>>> been more careful with my words, not giving the impression that
> > > this
> > > > is
> > > > >>>>> something we'll do anyway.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> There will be a FLIP describing the motivations and designs in
> > > > detail,
> > > > >>>> for
> > > > >>>>> the community to discuss and vote on. We are still working on
> it.
> > > > TBH,
> > > > >>>> this
> > > > >>>>> is not trivial and we would need more time on it.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Just to quickly share some backgrounds:
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>    - We see quite some problems with the current DataStream
> APIs
> > > > >>>>>       - Users are working with concrete classes rather than
> > > > >> interfaces,
> > > > >>>>>       which means
> > > > >>>>>       - Users can access methods that are designed to be used
> by
> > > > >> internal
> > > > >>>>>          classes, even though they are annotated with
> > `@Internal`.
> > > > >> E.g.,
> > > > >>>>>          `DataStream#getTransformation`.
> > > > >>>>>          - Changes to the non-API implementations (e.g.,
> > > > >>>> `Transformation`)
> > > > >>>>>          would affect the API classes (e.g., `DataStream`),
> which
> > > > >>>>> makes it hard to
> > > > >>>>>          provide binary compatibility.
> > > > >>>>>       - Internal classes are used as parameter / return-value
> of
> > > > >> public
> > > > >>>>>       APIs. E.g., while `AbstractStreamOperator` is
> > PublicEvolving,
> > > > >>>>> `StreamTask`
> > > > >>>>>       which returns from
> > `AbstractStreamOperator#getContainingTask`
> > > > is
> > > > >>>>> Internal.
> > > > >>>>>       - In many cases, users are asked to extend the API
> classes,
> > > > >> rather
> > > > >>>>>       than implementing interfaces. E.g.,
> > `AbstractStreamOperator`.
> > > > >>>>>          - Any changes to the base classes, even the internal
> > part,
> > > > >> may
> > > > >>>>>          affect the behavior of the user-provided sub-classes
> > > > >>>>>          - Users can override the behavior of the base classes
> > > > >>>>>       - The API module `flink-streaming-java` contains non-API
> > > > >> classes,
> > > > >>>> and
> > > > >>>>>       depends on internal modules such as `flink-runtime`,
> which
> > > > means
> > > > >>>>>       - Changes to the internal modules may affect the API
> > modules,
> > > > >> which
> > > > >>>>>          requires users to re-build their applications upon
> > > upgrading
> > > > >>>>>          - The artifact user needs for building their
> application
> > > > >> larger
> > > > >>>>>          than necessary.
> > > > >>>>>       - We probably should not expose operators (e.g.,
> > > > >>>>>       `AbstractStreamOperator`) to users. Functions should be
> > > enough
> > > > >>>>> for users to
> > > > >>>>>       define their data processing logics. Exposing
> > operator-level
> > > > >>>> concepts
> > > > >>>>>       (e.g., mailbox thread model, checkpoint barrier
> alignment,
> > > > >> etc.) is
> > > > >>>>>       unnecessary and limits the improvement regarding such
> > exposed
> > > > >>>>> mechanisms
> > > > >>>>>       with compatibility considerations.
> > > > >>>>>       - The current DataStream API seems to be a mixture of
> many
> > > > >> things,
> > > > >>>>>       making it hard to understand especially for newcomers. It
> > > might
> > > > >> be
> > > > >>>>> better
> > > > >>>>>       to re-organize it into several parts: (the taxonomy below
> > are
> > > > >> just
> > > > >>>> an
> > > > >>>>>       example of the, we are still working on this)
> > > > >>>>>          - The most fundamental stateful stream processing:
> > > streams,
> > > > >>>>>          partitions / key, process functions, state,
> > > timeline-service
> > > > >>>>>          - An extension for common batch-streaming unified
> > > functions:
> > > > >>>> map,
> > > > >>>>>          flatmap, filter, agg, reduce, join, etc.
> > > > >>>>>          - An extension for windowing supports:  window,
> > triggering
> > > > >>>>>          - An extension for event-time supports: event time,
> > > > watermark
> > > > >>>>>          - The extensions are like short-cuts / sugars, without
> > > which
> > > > >>>> users
> > > > >>>>>          can probably still achieve the same behavior by
> working
> > > with
> > > > >> the
> > > > >>>>>          fundamental APIs, but would be a lot easier with the
> > > > >> extensions
> > > > >>>>>       - The original plan was to do in-place refactors /
> changes
> > on
> > > > >>>>>    DataStream API. Some related items are listed in this doc
> [2]
> > > > >> attached
> > > > >>>>> to
> > > > >>>>>    the kicking off email [3]. Not all of the above issues are
> > > listed,
> > > > >>>>> because
> > > > >>>>>    we haven't looked into this as deeply as now  by that time.
> > > > >>>>>    - We proposed this as a new API rather than in-place
> refactors
> > > in
> > > > >> the
> > > > >>>>>    2.0 work item list, because we realized the changes might be
> > too
> > > > >> big
> > > > >>>>> for an
> > > > >>>>>    in-place change. First having a new API then gradually
> > retiring
> > > > the
> > > > >>>> old
> > > > >>>>> one
> > > > >>>>>    would help users to smoothly migrate between them.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> A thorough discussion is definitely needed once the FLIP is
> out.
> > > And
> > > > of
> > > > >>>>> course it's possible that the FLIP might be rejected. Given
> that
> > we
> > > > are
> > > > >>>>> planning for release 2.0, I just feel it would be better to
> bring
> > > > this
> > > > >> up
> > > > >>>>> early even the concrete plan is not yet ready,
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Best,
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Xintong
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> [1]
> > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/vmhzv8fcw2b33pqxp43486owrxbkd5x9
> > > > >>>>> [2]
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_PMGl5RuDQGlV99_gL3y7OiRsF0DgCk91Coua6hFXhE/edit?usp=sharing
> > > > >>>>> [3]
> > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/b8w5cx0qqbwzzklyn5xxf54vw9ymys1c
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 5:15 PM Gyula Fóra <gyf...@apache.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Hey!
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> I share the same concerns mentioned above regarding the
> > > > >>>> "ProcessFunction
> > > > >>>>>> API".
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> I don't think we should create a replacement for the
> DataStream
> > > API
> > > > >>>>> unless
> > > > >>>>>> we have a very good reason to do so and with a proper
> discussion
> > > > about
> > > > >>>>> this
> > > > >>>>>> as Alex said.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Cheers,
> > > > >>>>>> Gyula
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 11:03 AM Alexander Fedulov <
> > > > >>>>>> alexander.fedu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> Hi Xintong,
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> By compatibility discussion do you mean the "[DISCUSS]
> > FLIP-321:
> > > > >>>>>> Introduce
> > > > >>>>>>> an API deprecation process" thread [1]?
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> I am also curious to know if the rationale behind this new
> API
> > > has
> > > > >>>> been
> > > > >>>>>>> previously discussed on the mailing list. Do we have a list
> of
> > > > >>>>>> shortcomings
> > > > >>>>>>> in the current DataStream API that it tries to resolve? How
> > does
> > > > the
> > > > >>>>>>> current ProcessFunction functionality fit into the picture?
> > Will
> > > it
> > > > >>>> be
> > > > >>>>>> kept
> > > > >>>>>>> as is or subsumed by new API?
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> [1]
> > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/vmhzv8fcw2b33pqxp43486owrxbkd5x9
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> Best,
> > > > >>>>>>> Alex
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 at 14:33, Xintong Song <
> > > tonysong...@gmail.com>
> > > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>> The ProcessFunction API item is giving me the most
> headaches
> > > > >>>>> because
> > > > >>>>>>> it's
> > > > >>>>>>>>> very unclear what it actually entails; like is it an
> entirely
> > > > >>>>>> separate
> > > > >>>>>>>> API
> > > > >>>>>>>>> to DataStream (sounds like it is!) or an extension of
> > > DataStream.
> > > > >>>>> How
> > > > >>>>>>>> much
> > > > >>>>>>>>> will it share the internals with DataStream etc.; how does
> it
> > > > >>>>> relate
> > > > >>>>>> to
> > > > >>>>>>>> the
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Table API (w.r.t. switching APIs / what Table API uses
> > > > >>>> underneath).
> > > > >>>>>>>> I totally understand your confusion. We started planning
> this
> > > > after
> > > > >>>>>>> kicking
> > > > >>>>>>>> off the release 2.0, so there's still a lot to be explored
> and
> > > the
> > > > >>>>> plan
> > > > >>>>>>>> keeps changing.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>    - In the beginning, we planned to do an in-place refactor
> > of
> > > > >>>>>>> DataStream
> > > > >>>>>>>>    API, until the API migration period is proposed.
> > > > >>>>>>>>    - Then we want to make it an entirely separate API to
> > > > >>>> DataStream,
> > > > >>>>>> and
> > > > >>>>>>>>    listed as a must-have for release 2.0 so that we can
> remove
> > > > >>>>>> DataStream
> > > > >>>>>>>> once
> > > > >>>>>>>>    it's ready.
> > > > >>>>>>>>    - However, depending on the outcome of the API
> > compatibility
> > > > >>>>>>> discussion
> > > > >>>>>>>>    [1], we may not be able to remove DataStream in 2.0
> anyway,
> > > > >>>> which
> > > > >>>>>>> means
> > > > >>>>>>>> we
> > > > >>>>>>>>    might need to re-evaluate the necessity of this item for
> > 2.0.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> I'd say we wait a bit longer for the compatibility
> discussion
> > > [1]
> > > > >>>> and
> > > > >>>>>>>> decide the priority for this item afterwards.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Best,
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Xintong
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> [1] https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@flink.apache.org
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 6:00 PM Chesnay Schepler <
> > > > >>>> ches...@apache.org
> > > > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> by-and-large I'm quite happy with the list of items.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> I'm curious as to why the "Disaggregated State Management"
> > item
> > > > >>>> is
> > > > >>>>>>> marked
> > > > >>>>>>>>> as a must-have; will it require changes that break
> something?
> > > > >>>> What
> > > > >>>>>>>> prevents
> > > > >>>>>>>>> it from being added in 2.1?
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> We may want to update the Java 17 item to "Make Java 17 the
> > > > >>>>> default,
> > > > >>>>>>> drop
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Java 8/11". Maybe even split it into a must-have "Drop Java
> > 8"
> > > > >>>> and
> > > > >>>>> a
> > > > >>>>>>>>> nice-to-have "Drop Java 11"?
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> "Move Calcite rules from Scala to Java": I would hope that
> > this
> > > > >>>>> would
> > > > >>>>>>> be
> > > > >>>>>>>>> an entirely internal change, and could thus be an
> incremental
> > > > >>>>> process
> > > > >>>>>>>>> independent of major releases.
> > > > >>>>>>>>> What is the actual scale of this item; how much are we
> > actually
> > > > >>>>>>>> re-writing?
> > > > >>>>>>>>> "Add MetricGroup#getLogicalScope": I'd raise this to a
> > > > >>>> must-have; i
> > > > >>>>>>> think
> > > > >>>>>>>>> I marked it down as nice-to-have only because it depends on
> > > > >>>> another
> > > > >>>>>>> item.
> > > > >>>>>>>>> The ProcessFunction API item is giving me the most
> headaches
> > > > >>>>> because
> > > > >>>>>>> it's
> > > > >>>>>>>>> very unclear what it actually entails; like is it an
> entirely
> > > > >>>>>> separate
> > > > >>>>>>>> API
> > > > >>>>>>>>> to DataStream (sounds like it is!) or an extension of
> > > DataStream.
> > > > >>>>> How
> > > > >>>>>>>> much
> > > > >>>>>>>>> will it share the internals with DataStream etc.; how does
> it
> > > > >>>>> relate
> > > > >>>>>> to
> > > > >>>>>>>> the
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Table API (w.r.t. switching APIs / what Table API uses
> > > > >>>> underneath).
> > > > >>>>>>>>> There are a few items I added as ideas which don't have a
> > > > >>>> priority
> > > > >>>>>> yet;
> > > > >>>>>>>>> would love to get some feedback on those.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> On 21/06/2023 08:41, Xintong Song wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Hi devs,
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> As previously discussed in [1], we had been collecting work
> > > item
> > > > >>>>>>>> proposals
> > > > >>>>>>>>> for the 2.0 release until June 15th, on the wiki page [2].
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>    - As we have passed the due date, I'd like to kindly
> > remind
> > > > >>>>>> everyone
> > > > >>>>>>>> *not
> > > > >>>>>>>>>    to add / remove items directly on the wiki page*. If
> > needed,
> > > > >>>>>> please
> > > > >>>>>>>> post
> > > > >>>>>>>>>    in this thread or reach out to the release managers
> > instead.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>    - I've reached out to some folks for clarifications
> about
> > > > >>>> their
> > > > >>>>>>>>>    proposals. Some of them mentioned that they can not yet
> > tell
> > > > >>>>>> whether
> > > > >>>>>>>> we
> > > > >>>>>>>>>    should do an item or not, and would need more time /
> > > > >>>> discussions
> > > > >>>>>> to
> > > > >>>>>>>> make
> > > > >>>>>>>>>    the decision. So I added a new symbol for items whose
> > > > >>>> priorities
> > > > >>>>>> are
> > > > >>>>>>>> `TBD`.
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Now it's time to collaboratively decide a minimum set of
> > > > >>>> must-have
> > > > >>>>>>> items.
> > > > >>>>>>>>> I've gone through the entire list of proposed items, and
> > found
> > > > >>>> most
> > > > >>>>>> of
> > > > >>>>>>>> them
> > > > >>>>>>>>> make quite much sense. So I think an online sync might not
> be
> > > > >>>>>> necessary
> > > > >>>>>>>> for
> > > > >>>>>>>>> this. I'd like to go with this DISCUSS thread, where
> everyone
> > > can
> > > > >>>>>>> comment
> > > > >>>>>>>>> on how they think the list can be improved, followed by a
> > VOTE
> > > to
> > > > >>>>>>>> formally
> > > > >>>>>>>>> make the decision.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Any feedback and opinions, including but not limited to the
> > > > >>>>> following
> > > > >>>>>>>>> aspects, will be appreciated.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>    - Important items that are missing from the list
> > > > >>>>>>>>>    - Concerns regarding the listed items or their
> priorities
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Looking forward to your feedback.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Best,
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Xintong
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> [1]
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/list?dev@flink.apache.org:lte=1M:release%202.0%20status%20updates
> > > > >>>>>>>>> [2]
> > > > >>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/2.0+Release
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> --
> > > > >>>> Best regards,
> > > > >>>> Sergey
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Sergey
>

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