Tuesday, July 26, 2016, 6:43:46 PM, Pete Helgren wrote: > I lurk as well but use Freemarker pretty much every day in a fairly > narrowly defined way. I am a little fuzzy on the whole "graduation" > discussion because I don't know who, exactly, is invited to participate > (Mentors, IPMC, ?? ) so trying to peel out what I, as an FM user, need > to weigh in on has been a bit of a challenge (so I remain silent).
Basically, if the Apache officers look at the project and see that I'm the only one who lifts any substantial weight here, they certainly won't let the project graduate. If the project can't graduate for very long, it will be terminated (called "retirement"). Well, I guess as far as the project produces releases, it can hand around in the incubator for quite while, but not forever... > FWIW I'll help however I can. My needs to "grow" FM have been few. It > does what I want it to do and I am not strong enough in the Java skills > department to feel like I can actively participate in development. Even testing new features is a big help. (In the recent few versions there were many substantial new features. It would have be very useful if more eyes look at them. Any bug or design oversight that slips in can become a backward compatibility constraint.) -- Thanks, Daniel Dekany > Pete Helgren > www.petesworkshop.com > > On 7/26/2016 2:34 AM, Daniel Dekany wrote: >> Monday, July 25, 2016, 5:00:27 PM, Sergio Fernández wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 9:24 PM, Daniel Dekany <ddek...@freemail.hu> wrote: >>> >>>> The project's interest is to graduate, so obviously, I would prefer it >>>> to graduate (and probably most mentors too). But I don't want to get >>>> into a graduation vote that is improbable to pass. So I would prefer >>>> if we first try to figure out the feelings of others. >>>> >>>> Does any of you know a precedent of a project in similar state >>>> passing? >>>> >>> Not that I'm aware... >>> >>> You have to know IPMC we're normally very picky about community growth. >>> Therefore, although couple of mentors we already expressed our interest to >>> continue supporting the project (Jacopo and myself), there is no formal >>> trace of that. So before approaching the IPMC at general@incubator I'd try >>> to sort-out first the formal addition of the new PPMC members (i.e., vote). >> Is it supposed to be a normal "Voting in a new PPMC member" votings as >> described on http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html (CC-ed to >> the IPMC and so on). I'm asking because all Mentors are already PPMC >> members right now, because that's the initial status of Mentors when a >> proddling starts. Should I add some explanation to the voting, like >> that we are voting about who should stay even after graduation, or is >> it the normal way of doing this? >> >>> After that I'd give it a try to the open discussion to see what's the >>> general mood of the people... >>> >>> >>> >>>> -- >>>> Thanks, >>>> Daniel Dekany >>>> >>>> >>>> Thursday, July 21, 2016, 12:23:47 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thank you Sergio. >>>>> >>>>> I am wondering if we should first run a vote in this list to clearly >>>>> express the desire of this community to graduate now (or wait). >>>>> Then we could start the discussion in the general list. >>>>> This is just an idea, if we prefer to ping the general list first, then >>>>> great. >>>>> >>>>> Jacopo >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Sergio Fernández <wik...@apache.org> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> I think the graduation discussion has been spread in different threads. >>>> So >>>>>> I'd like to come back to the path. >>>>>> >>>>>> From my point of view the project could be ready for graduation. The >>>> single >>>>>> issue that could block that is the evolution of the community. Jacopo >>>>>> offered to bring up this topic into general@incubator, to see what's >>>> the >>>>>> feeling from the folks not so closely related to the podling. Do we >>>> still >>>>>> want to approach it in this way? >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Sergio Fernández >>>>>> Partner Technology Manager >>>>>> Redlink GmbH >>>>>> m: +43 6602747925 >>>>>> e: sergio.fernan...@redlink.co >>>>>> w: http://redlink.co >>>>>> >>>> >>> > >
