You misunderstood my reply. You were saying it was missing from the Pom and I 
was saying that it should be in the Pom but marked optional. Whether it should 
be optional or not in the Pom isn’t really a concern I have. I plan on 
correcting this nasty stuff with a BOM. See modules PR.

> On Dec 6, 2018, at 10:58 AM, Kirk Lund <kl...@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> I disagree 100%. It is required for the main use of geode-core which is to
> create a Cache. Client Cache is something that came later. If you want it a
> dependency to be optional for Client Caches then please create a
> geode-client module that generates a pom without this dependency or move
> the dependency from geode-core to geode-gfsh and make the latter optional
> for creation of Client Caches. This kind of thing is why Users consider
> Geode difficult to use. Marking the dependency as optional in geode-core
> without any of the changes necessary to make it truly optional is simply a
> bug.
> 
> The geode-core pom should be considered the pom for Geode Cache, not Geode
> Client Cache. If we want to have a separate module for clients which leaves
> out certain dependencies then that would be one approach. Moving GFSH and
> the spring-shell dependent code to another Geode module would also be
> another approach that works. But simply crippling a pom so that one of the
> main uses of Geode does not work out of box is a big no-no.
> 
> Creating a Cache in an application using maven dependencies (geode-core
> specifically) is supported but broken because we flag spring-shell as
> optional.
> 
> A User who creates a Cache in an application should not be forced to either
> have JMX broken or explicitly add in spring-shell to their application's
> dependencies.
> 
> 10:31:55.168 [main] WARN  o.a.g.d.i.InternalDistributedSystem -
> org/springframework/shell/core/Parser
> java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/springframework/shell/core/Parser
> at
> org.apache.geode.management.internal.beans.MemberMBeanBridge.<init>(MemberMBeanBridge.java:333)
> at
> org.apache.geode.management.internal.beans.ManagementAdapter.handleCacheCreation(ManagementAdapter.java:144)
> at
> org.apache.geode.management.internal.beans.ManagementListener.handleEvent(ManagementListener.java:115)
> at
> org.apache.geode.distributed.internal.InternalDistributedSystem.notifyResourceEventListeners(InternalDistributedSystem.java:2201)
> at
> org.apache.geode.distributed.internal.InternalDistributedSystem.handleResourceEvent(InternalDistributedSystem.java:606)
> at
> org.apache.geode.internal.cache.GemFireCacheImpl.initialize(GemFireCacheImpl.java:1214)
> at
> org.apache.geode.internal.cache.GemFireCacheImpl.basicCreate(GemFireCacheImpl.java:799)
> at
> org.apache.geode.internal.cache.GemFireCacheImpl.create(GemFireCacheImpl.java:785)
> at org.apache.geode.cache.CacheFactory.create(CacheFactory.java:176)
> at org.apache.geode.cache.CacheFactory.create(CacheFactory.java:223)
> at
> io.github.kirklund.geode.GeodeApplicationIntegrationTest.setUp(GeodeApplicationIntegrationTest.java:35)
> at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)
> at
> sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:62)
> at
> sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:43)
> at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:498)
> at
> org.junit.runners.model.FrameworkMethod$1.runReflectiveCall(FrameworkMethod.java:50)
> at
> org.junit.internal.runners.model.ReflectiveCallable.run(ReflectiveCallable.java:12)
> at
> org.junit.runners.model.FrameworkMethod.invokeExplosively(FrameworkMethod.java:47)
> at
> org.junit.internal.runners.statements.RunBefores.evaluate(RunBefores.java:24)
> at
> org.junit.internal.runners.statements.RunAfters.evaluate(RunAfters.java:27)
> at org.junit.runners.ParentRunner.runLeaf(ParentRunner.java:325)
> at
> org.junit.runners.BlockJUnit4ClassRunner.runChild(BlockJUnit4ClassRunner.java:78)
> at
> org.junit.runners.BlockJUnit4ClassRunner.runChild(BlockJUnit4ClassRunner.java:57)
> at org.junit.runners.ParentRunner$3.run(ParentRunner.java:290)
> at org.junit.runners.ParentRunner$1.schedule(ParentRunner.java:71)
> at org.junit.runners.ParentRunner.runChildren(ParentRunner.java:288)
> at org.junit.runners.ParentRunner.access$000(ParentRunner.java:58)
> at org.junit.runners.ParentRunner$2.evaluate(ParentRunner.java:268)
> at org.junit.runners.ParentRunner.run(ParentRunner.java:363)
> at org.junit.runner.JUnitCore.run(JUnitCore.java:137)
> at
> com.intellij.junit4.JUnit4IdeaTestRunner.startRunnerWithArgs(JUnit4IdeaTestRunner.java:68)
> at
> com.intellij.rt.execution.junit.IdeaTestRunner$Repeater.startRunnerWithArgs(IdeaTestRunner.java:47)
> at
> com.intellij.rt.execution.junit.JUnitStarter.prepareStreamsAndStart(JUnitStarter.java:242)
> at com.intellij.rt.execution.junit.JUnitStarter.main(JUnitStarter.java:70)
> Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException:
> org.springframework.shell.core.Parser
> at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:381)
> at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:424)
> at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Launcher.java:349)
> at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:357)
> ... 34 common frames omitted
> 
> You can reproduce this bug by specifying geode-core as a dependency in
> maven:
> 
>        <dependency>
>            <groupId>org.apache.geode</groupId>
>            <artifactId>geode-core</artifactId>
>            <version>1.9.0-SNAPSHOT</version>
>        </dependency>
> 
> And then create a Cache:
> 
>    cache = new CacheFactory().set(LOCATORS, "").create();
> 
> You will see the above warning get logged and Geode JMX will be broken.
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 10:27 AM Jacob Barrett <jbarr...@pivotal.io> wrote:
>> 
>> It should be in the POM as optional.
>> 
>>> On Dec 6, 2018, at 10:17 AM, Kirk Lund <kl...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is the presence of "ext.optional = true" for spring-shell in
>>> geode-core/build.gradle the reason it's missing from the geode-core maven
>>> pom?
>>> 
>>> compile('org.springframework.shell:spring-shell:' +
>>> project.'spring-shell.version') {
>>>   exclude module: 'aopalliance'
>>>   exclude module: 'asm'
>>>   exclude module: 'cglib'
>>>   exclude module: 'guava'
>>>   exclude module: 'spring-aop'
>>>   exclude module: 'spring-context-support'
>>>   exclude module: 'spring-core'
>>>   *ext.optional = true*
>>> }
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 10:12 AM Kirk Lund <kl...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The geode-core maven pom is missing "spring-shell" -- where can I go to
>>>> add in "spring-shell" as a required dependency? That's the code or
>> gradle
>>>> or xml that I want to look at.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 9:57 AM Jacob Barrett <jbarr...@pivotal.io>
>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> That file is only for testing that the contents are as expected. The
>> POM
>>>>> is generated from dependencies and transitive dependencies specified
>> in the
>>>>> various Gradle files.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 6, 2018, at 9:55 AM, Kirk Lund <kl...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Is this the only file controlling and testing the dependencies for the
>>>>>> geode-core maven pom that we publish?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> geode-core/src/test/resources/expected-pom.xml
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 9:52 AM Kirk Lund <kl...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Can someone please point me at the right place to review and alter
>>>>>>> the dependencies for geode-core that are being published for its
>> maven
>>>>> pom?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Also, are there any tests involving the dependencies of the
>> geode-core
>>>>>>> maven pom?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 

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