I think that process is a bit much. PRs are already a challenge. What do people 
think about code owners being the gate. We can accept by custom that there 
should be no stress-new-test failures. If there is a failure, a code owner can 
request a change or decide to let it go. I think that is sufficient all things 
considered.

Thanks,
Mark

On 6/9/21, 10:43 AM, "Owen Nichols" <onich...@vmware.com> wrote:

    I feel that a traditional [DISCUSS] and [VOTE] on the dev list would be 
sufficient and proper to grant approval for an override.  Any PR already needs 
approval from 1 codeowner per area to merge, so codeowners already have a 
little more say because they hold veto power over the PR.

    In terms of "practicalities of how this would actually work":
    Step 1: start a [DISCUSS] thread explaining the problem and why you think 
an override is justified
    Step 2: if there is concensus, [VOTE]
    Step 3: Myself (or whoever performs the override) must cite a link to the 
vote thread


    On 6/9/21, 10:16 AM, "Dale Emery" <dem...@vmware.com> wrote:

        I too like #1 best for now… assuming it’s possible to give code owners 
this ability.

        Coincidentally, about option #3, II was reading the git release notes 
just now, and noticed there’s a new “trailers” feature. It gives git the 
ability to parse “key: value” pairs at the end of a commit message. We could 
potentially (with a sufficiently current version of git) use that to exclude a 
test from a PR stress test run.

        And, yeah, option #2 brings back the @FlakyTest annotation that we 
worked so hard to eliminate.

        As Mark said, none of this fixes the underlying problem, which I’d 
frame as: We have too many tests whose results we don’t trust.

        Dale

        From: Kirk Lund <kl...@apache.org>
        Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 9:59 AM
        To: dev@geode.apache.org <dev@geode.apache.org>
        Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Remove stress-new-test-openjdk11 requirement 
from PRs
        I do like the suggestions offered up by Dale and would encourage (or 
even
        plead) with my fellow contributors to consider these:

          *   Allow code owners to override the block, if they can be convinced 
the
        > override is justified.
        >   *   Exclude troublesome tests from stress test runs, either via
        > annotations or via an `assumeThat(…)` that can detect that it’s 
running as
        > a stress test. Whatever the mechanism for excluding, it would be in 
the
        > code, and therefore subject to code owner review. (This, too, feels 
overly
        > broad to me, as it would exclude the test from all stress test runs.)
        >   *   A way to exclude a specific test method from running in the 
stress
        > tests for a specific PR or commit. I don’t have any ideas for how to
        > declare such an exclusion, but if it could be done via a file it 
would be
        > subject to code owner review.


        1) Allow code owners to override the block, if they can be convinced the
        override is justified.

        After all, if we don't trust our code owners...

        2-3) Use a custom annotation to exclude the test method or test class 
only
        from stress-new-test.

        At first I really liked this idea, but then we end up with growing a
        collection of flaky tests that are excluded in some way from
        stress-new-test that still occasionally fail in distributedTest.

        #1 really sounds like the best option to me. I believe that leaving our
        stress-new-test process as-is will only discourage everyone from fixing 
one
        or two flaky tests in a large dunit test. However, I also believe that 
if
        we give code owners the authority to override stress-new-test, then we
        need to encourage them not to override this too often.

        On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 11:11 AM Dale Emery <dem...@vmware.com> wrote:

        > Maybe we can find a way to relax the requirement, or to allow 
addressing
        > specific situations like the tangle you find yourself in.
        >
        > Removing the requirement altogether feels overly broad. I fear it 
would
        > allow us to quietly disregard all intermittent test failures, and I 
think
        > we already quietly (or even actively) disregard way too many kinds of
        > failures.
        >
        > I would prefer some way to explicitly disregard only the specific test
        > failures that prevent us from merging, and only with some amount of
        > explicit justification.
        >
        > I’m not sure what that would look like. Some half-baked possibilities:
        >
        >   *   Allow code owners to override the block, if they can be 
convinced
        > the override is justified.
        >   *   Exclude troublesome tests from stress test runs, either via
        > annotations or via an `assumeThat(…)` that can detect that it’s 
running as
        > a stress test. Whatever the mechanism for excluding, it would be in 
the
        > code, and therefore subject to code owner review. (This, too, feels 
overly
        > broad to me, as it would exclude the test from all stress test runs.)
        >   *   A way to exclude a specific test method from running in the 
stress
        > tests for a specific PR or commit. I don’t have any ideas for how to
        > declare such an exclusion, but if it could be done via a file it 
would be
        > subject to code owner review.
        >
        > Dale
        >
        > From: Kirk Lund <kl...@apache.org>
        > Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 9:33 AM
        > To: dev@geode.apache.org <dev@geode.apache.org>
        > Subject: [DISCUSS] Remove stress-new-test-openjdk11 requirement from 
PRs
        > Our requirement for stress-new-test-openjdk11 to pass before allowing 
merge
        > doesn't really work as intended for fixing distributed tests that 
contain
        > multiple flaky test methods. In fact, I think it causes contributors 
to
        > avoid tackling flaky tests.
        >
        > I've been working on GEODE-9103: CI Failure:
        > PutAllClientServerDistributedTest.testPutAllReturnsExceptions FAILED
        > 
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 and was able to fix it.
        >
        > However, stress-new-test-openjdk11 then continued to fail for other 
flaky
        > tests in PutAllClientServerDistributedTest. I managed to fix 
GEODE-9296 and
        > GEODE-8528 as well. I also tried but have not been able to fix 
GEODE-9242
        > which remains flaky.
        >
        > Unfortunately, I cannot merge any of my fixes for
        > PutAllClientServerDistributedTest unless every single flaky test in 
it is
        > fixed by my PR. I think this is undesirable because it would be 
better to
        > merge the fix for 3 flaky test methods than none.
        >
        > UPDATE: After running my precheckin more times, I did get
        > stress-new-test-openjdk11 to pass once so I can merge, but that's 
more of a
        > loophole than anything because I didn't manage to fix GEODE-9242.
        >
        > Despite having PR #6542 eventually pass, I would like to discuss 
removing
        > or relaxing our requirement that stress-new-test-openjdk11 must pass 
in
        > order to merge a PR...
        >
        > PR #6542: GEODE-9103: Fix ServerConnectivityExceptions in
        > PutAllClientServerDistributedTest
        > <
        > 
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        > >
        >
        > Fixed in PR #6542:
        > * GEODE-9296: CI Failure: PutAllClientServerDistributedTest >
        > testPartialKeyInPRSingleHopWithRedundancy
        > 
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        > * GEODE-9103: CI Failure:
        > PutAllClientServerDistributedTest.testPutAllReturnsExceptions FAILED
        > 
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        > * GEODE-8528: 
PutAllClientServerDistributedTest.testPartialKeyInPRSingleHop
        > fails due to missing disk store after server restart
        > 
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        >
        > Still flaky:
        > * GEODE-9242: CI failure in PutAllClientServerDistributedTest >
        > testEventIdOutOfOrderInPartitionRegionSingleHop
        > 
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        >
        > Thanks,
        > Kirk
        >


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