Hi Charlie, Thanks for bringing this up. To my knowledge, there hasn’t been any recent work completed to fully remove JGroups yet. The last detailed discussion I recall was in Dan’s write-up you linked, which outlined replacing UDP-based membership messaging with a TCP-based approach.
If we’re considering moving forward, it might be worth revisiting that proposal and validating whether the assumptions and dependencies still hold. From an architectural standpoint, removing JGroups could simplify the stack, but we’d need to confirm any edge cases around membership coordination and failure detection. Would it make sense to start by reviewing the current implementation and identifying any blockers or gaps from Dan’s original plan? If others have already explored alternatives or started work in this area, it would be great to consolidate that information. I’d also encourage anyone in the community who has insights, prior experience, or strong opinions on this topic to chime in. Your input will help us make an informed decision and avoid reinventing the wheel if work has already been done. Best regards, Jinwoo Hwang (he/him/his) SAS® Research and Development http://JinwooHwang.com<http://jinwoohwang.com/> From: Charlie Black <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2025 at 12:03 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Proposal to Revisit PMC Voting Threshold for Apache Geode Releases EXTERNAL I know there were some thoughts around removing jgroups since all it was used for was membership messaging. I wonder if there is already some work done to remove it? Anyone? Extra Context on the write up that Dan wrote a while back: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fprotect.checkpoint.com%2Fv2%2Fr01%2F___https%3A%2F%2Fcwiki.apache.org%2Fconfluence%2Fdisplay%2FGEODE%2FReplace%2BUDP%2Bmessaging%2Bfor%2Bmembership%2Bwith%2BTCP___.YzJ1OnNhc2luc3RpdHV0ZTpjOm86YmQ4OWI2Y2M0MThiNjJiOWI4NDQ0NGZhZDQwMDRmNjE6NzoyZWUxOmFkM2UxM2VjYjRiMzVjNTA2OGE2ZGQ4NWFkMWM1Njc4YmFkOTVhMTdkNDE0ODQ5MmFhYzllODMxYTU2MTEzN2Y6cDpUOk4&data=05%7C02%7CJinwoo.Hwang%40sas.com%7C54c363dbdcc54d344b8a08ddfaba5f6e%7Cb1c14d5c362545b3a4309552373a0c2f%7C0%7C0%7C638942402177188691%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=goLkn%2F%2B7mMaMpfCl1Ug3hRGZ90v3hkzy7FtNNtQ2fZQ%3D&reserved=0<https://protect.checkpoint.com/v2/r01/___https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/GEODE/Replace+UDP+messaging+for+membership+with+TCP___.YzJ1OnNhc2luc3RpdHV0ZTpjOm86YmQ4OWI2Y2M0MThiNjJiOWI4NDQ0NGZhZDQwMDRmNjE6NzoyZWUxOmFkM2UxM2VjYjRiMzVjNTA2OGE2ZGQ4NWFkMWM1Njc4YmFkOTVhMTdkNDE0ODQ5MmFhYzllODMxYTU2MTEzN2Y6cDpUOk4> Charlie On Tue, Sep 23, 2025 at 6:51 AM Ventsislav Marinov <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi all, > > I’m interested in working on the remediation of the > jgroups-3.6.20.Final.jar and the rest of the impacted dependencies. > > Regards, > Ventsislav Marinov > > From: Jinwoo Hwang <[email protected]> > Date: Monday, September 22, 2025 at 11:53 AM > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Proposal to Revisit PMC Voting Threshold for Apache Geode > Releases > EXTERNAL > > Hi Leon, > > Thank you so much for taking the time to investigate all the security > vulnerabilities in the dependencies of 1.15.2. Let’s now identify which > versions we’ll need to remediate them. > > I’ve noted that CVE-2016-1000027 is addressed in Spring 6, which aligns > with our planned migration to Apache Geode 2.0.0. 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I completely understand the concern > > regarding flagged CVEs, especially in the context of client audits and > > internal security assessments via tools like Sonar. > > > > I agree that periodic updates to dependencies, including Geode, are > > essential to ensure vulnerabilities are addressed proactively. I’ll > > coordinate to prioritize this effort and explore a sustainable cadence > for > > reviewing and updating flagged components. > > > > Let’s work together to establish a periodic review and update cycle for > > Geode and its dependencies. 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So a periodic update in this area is required. > > > > On Wed, Sep 17, 2025 at 7:46 AM Jinwoo Hwang > <[email protected] > > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Arnout, > > > > > > Thank you for your thoughtful and constructive feedback. I sincerely > > > apologize for the oversight in cross-posting between dev@ and private@ > > > lists. I understand the importance of maintaining clear boundaries > > between > > > public and private communications, especially when sensitive topics > like > > > security are involved. I’ll be more careful moving forward. > > > > > > I also want to acknowledge that my limited experience with some of > these > > > processes may have caused concern or alarm. I appreciate your patience > > and > > > the clarity you've provided—it’s been very helpful in deepening my > > > understanding. > > > > > > Regarding the '3 votes' threshold, I agree it’s important to adhere to > > the > > > Apache Release Policy. Your point about leveraging current momentum to > > > re-engage existing PMC members and onboard new ones is encouraging. I > > share > > > your optimism and believe Geode is indeed on a promising path. > > > > > > On PMC activity, I’ve also noticed signs of engagement from members who > > > may not be visible on dev@, so your observation about Leon’s > assessment > > > possibly being a bit conservative makes sense. > > > > > > As for the dependency advisories, I appreciate your clarification that > > > none have been confirmed to directly impact Geode. While urgency may be > > > debatable, I do think the release is a positive step forward and > reflects > > > renewed commitment. > > > > > > Your note on the voting window is also helpful. I agree that while > quick > > > closure supports momentum, flexibility in timing is built into the > > process > > > and can be accommodated when needed. > > > > > > Thanks again for your insights and support. 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thread I suppose that risk is not so big, but let's be > careful > > > especially when discussing security impact. More comments inline: > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 17, 2025 at 1:56 AM Jinwoo Hwang <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > As it stands, the policy requires *three binding +1 votes* from PMC > > > members > > > > to finalize a release. While this standard has served us well > > > historically, > > > > it may no longer reflect the current reality of our project’s active > > > > participation. In 2023, it was noted that although the PMC officially > > > lists > > > > 31 members, fewer than 10 were actively engaged. As Leon recently > > pointed > > > > out, based on current email activity, it appears that *only three PMC > > > > members* are actively participating—suggesting that the actual number > > of > > > > engaged PMC members may now be just three. > > > > > > > > This makes reaching quorum increasingly difficult—even when the > broader > > > > community is contributing actively and consistently. The current > > release > > > > effort, which includes over 20 commits and four release candidates, > is > > a > > > > clear example of this challenge. Despite strong momentum, we are at > > risk > > > of > > > > stalling due to procedural thresholds that no longer match our > > > operational > > > > scale. > > > > > > > > > > I'd like to note that my understanding is that the 'voting window' is a > > 'no > > > closing the vote before', but not a 'the vote must close at' - so even > if > > > the vote would be delayed that is not necessarily a dealbreaker. I > agree > > > it's better for momentum if the vote can close quickly, of course ;) . > > > > > > > > > > More importantly, this release remediates *critical security > > > > vulnerabilities* that directly impact the reliability and safety of > > > Apache > > > > Geode deployments. These include: > > > > > > > > - *CVE-2023-40167*: Request smuggling via '+' in Content-Length > > > > - *CVE-2023-22602*: Spring Boot pattern mismatch auth bypass > > > > - *CVE-2023-34478*: Path traversal routing bypass > > > > - *CVE-2023-46750*: Form auth open redirect > > > > - *CVE-2024-8184*: DoS via memory exhaustion > > > > - *CVE-2024-13009*: Gzip buffer mismanagement causing > cross-request > > > data > > > > leakage > > > > - *CVE-2023-26049*: Cookie smuggling > > > > - *CVE-2023-26048*: Multipart request DoS > > > > - *CVE-2022-42004 & CVE-2022-42003*: Deep nested array DoS > > > > vulnerabilities > > > > - *CVE-2020-36518*: Stack overflow vulnerability > > > > - *CVE-2022-40664*: Authentication bypass via RequestDispatcher > > > > - *CVE-2022-32532*: RegexRequestMatcher misconfiguration > > > > - *CVE-2023-46749*: Path traversal leading to auth bypass > > > > - *CVE-2024-36124*: JVM crash risk enabling DoS > > > > - *CVE-2025-48734*: Improper access control via Java enum > > ClassLoader > > > > exposure > > > > > > > > Delaying this release not only risks losing community momentum—it > also > > > > prolongs exposure to known vulnerabilities that have already been > > > > addressed. > > > > > > > > > > While I agree these advisories for dependencies represent some risk, I > > want > > > to note that AFAIK none of those have been confirmed to actually impact > > > Geode. A release may also fix undisclosed vulnerabilities, but frankly > > > given the previous release AFAICS was in 2022 it's hard to argue > > particular > > > urgency. Still, I'm thrilled the release is proceeding! > > > > > > > > > > Given this, I propose we revisit the voting threshold to better > reflect > > > the > > > > actual number of active PMC members. If the original intent of > > requiring > > > > three votes was to represent roughly 10% of the full PMC, then > applying > > > > that same ratio to the currently active group would suggest a > threshold > > > of > > > > *one > > > > binding vote*. > > > > > > > > This adjustment would: > > > > > > > > - Align our process with the current scale of active participation > > > > - Prevent valuable contributions and security fixes from being > > blocked > > > > due to quorum issues > > > > - Encourage continued engagement by reducing procedural > bottlenecks > > > > > > > > I recognize this is a significant change and welcome discussion on > how > > > best > > > > to approach it—whether through a formal vote, a temporary adjustment, > > or > > > a > > > > broader review of our governance practices. > > > > > > > > Thank you for your continued dedication to Apache Geode. I look > forward > > > to > > > > hearing your thoughts. > > > > > > > > > The '3 votes' threshold comes from the Apache Release Policy ( > > > > > > > > > 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Indeed Geode has been at the brink of retirement, but I agree > > it > > > is now on a good trajectory back to health. I think Leon's assessment > of > > > the number of active PMCs may be a bit pessimistic, as I've seen a few > > > other PMC members be active as well (though that may have been on the > > > private list, I haven't checked). > > > > > > Instead of dropping the threshold, I'm optimistic we can use the > current > > > momentum both to encourage existing PMC members to become/remain > active, > > > but also to work towards onboarding new PMC members. > > > > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > Arnout > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 16, 2025 at 6:22 PM Jinwoo Hwang <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Apache Geode PMC Members, > > > > > > > > > > We are standing at the edge of a major milestone—and we need your > > help > > > to > > > > > cross it. > > > > > > > > > > As of the original deadline, we are still two binding votes short > of > > > > > finalizing the release. > > > > > In recognition of the tremendous effort poured into this by our > > > > > contributors and reviewers, we are extending the vote by 24 hours. > > > > > > > > > > This release is the result of months of focused collaboration: > > > > > > > > > > - 20+ commits > > > > > - 4 release candidates > > > > > - Countless hours of testing, reviewing, and refining > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To let this moment pass without action would be to set aside the > hard > > > > work > > > > > of those who have reignited momentum in our community. > > > > > We owe it to them—and to the future of Apache Geode—to see this > > > through. > > > > > > > > > > If you are a PMC member who has not yet voted, I urge you to take a > > > > moment > > > > > and cast your vote. > > > > > Your participation is not just procedural—it is a statement of > > support > > > > for > > > > > the community, for the contributors, and for the continued vitality > > of > > > > this > > > > > project. > > > > > > > > > > Let’s not allow this opportunity to stall. 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<[email protected]> > > > > > Date: Tue, Sep 16, 2025 at 7:55 AM > > > > > Subject: Project Management Committee Support Needed Today – Help > > > > Finalize > > > > > the Apache Geode Release > > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Apache Geode Community and PMC members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It has been nearly three years since our last release on October > 10, > > > > 2022, > > > > > and we are pleased to share that we are now on the verge of > > delivering > > > a > > > > > long-awaited update. Over the past five months, we’ve made more > than > > 20 > > > > > commits and produced four release candidates—a remarkable > achievement > > > > that > > > > > reflects the renewed energy within our community. > > > > > > > > > > This progress would not have been possible without the dedication > of > > > many > > > > > contributors and reviewers. We would like to extend our sincere > > > > > appreciation to Arnout, Bryan, Calvin, Charlie, Kirk, Kishor, Leon, > > and > > > > > Niall for your generous support and active engagement. Your efforts > > > have > > > > > been instrumental in reigniting momentum and moving the project > > > forward. > > > > > > > > > > As of this morning, we are just two PMC votes away from finalizing > > the > > > > > release. If you are a PMC member and have not yet voted, please > > > consider > > > > > doing so by 3 PM PST today. Your participation is essential to > > > completing > > > > > this milestone. > > > > > > > > > > More importantly, we kindly ask our PMC members to help > maintain—and > > > > > ideally accelerate—the momentum that the community has just > > rekindled. > > > > This > > > > > is a pivotal moment for Apache Geode. While we’ve faced challenges > > due > > > to > > > > > limited active committers and documentation that has struggled to > > keep > > > > pace > > > > > with evolving tooling and workflows, your renewed involvement can > be > > a > > > > > turning point. Active PMC engagement will not only help us close > this > > > > > release but also strengthen the foundation for future contributions > > and > > > > > collaboration. > > > > > > > > > > Please feel free to reach out to me if you have any concerns or > > > feedback. > > > > > I’d be happy to discuss and support in any way I can. > > > > > > > > > > Let’s take this final step together and build on the collective > > effort > > > > > that has brought us here. > > > > > > > > > > With appreciation and respect, > > > > > Jinwoo Hwang (he/him/his) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SAS® Research and Development > > > > > > > > > > > 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