Guarana!
On Dec 9, 2005, at 11:40 AM, Rajith Attapattu wrote:
I feel this debate is like do you like Coke or Pepsi?
People will be more biased about the web container they use most of
the
time (forget about merits/demerits of each app)
I think it's kind of useless to be arguing about this since both
tomcat
and jetty is available. So ppl will always choose to modify the config
to have the container they like most.
(This would have been an important debate, if we were going to include
only one (either tomcat or jetty), but since both are included it
doesn't really matter)
Instead we should use the time to put more documentation on how you
can
change the web container. I think a lot of people will appreciate
that.
Just my 2 cents
Rajith.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Genender [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 12:54 AM
To: dev@geronimo.apache.org
Subject: Re: Does there need to be a default web container?
Thats a great idea...
Kinda like Google's "I'm feeling lucky" ;-)
Matt Hogstrom wrote:
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I think the magic G-ball should be embedded in the installer and let
it make a
random choice for the user :)
The answer is "It is decidedly so."
Matt
Jeff Genender wrote:
Then lets agree to disagree. We should probably take this
offline if
it
needs to be discussed further. This is kind of off-topic.
Jeff
Aaron Mulder wrote:
Sorry Jeff, I have to disagree. If you asked me whether you should
use Tomcat or Jetty, I really couldn't give you an informed answer.
About the best I could say is "they both work fine in Geronimo,
they
do a couple things like virtual hosting slightly differently, and
the
Jetty team is actively involved in Geronimo whereas we pretty much
built the Tomcat integration on our own." Still, that doesn't give
you much guidance (the last bit there is the only reason I
personally
would have any preference at all). And I feel like I'm in the
*most*
informed 1% of all possible Geronimo users.
I don't think it's sensible to argue over what "average" people
know
or don't know, it's just my feeling that if I can't make a clear
decision for obvious reasons, then I can't ask every user who ever
installs the product to make that same decision.
Thanks,
Aaron
On 12/8/05, Jeff Genender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Erin Mulder wrote:
Jeff Genender wrote:
So you think your average Geronimo user will have no idea what a
web
container is?
It's possible.
I asked "average" user...not whether its possible. The average
user
will probably be a developer...who has done some degree of
background on
the technologies. I would hazard to guess there are few people
who
use
BEA or Websphere and have absolutely no idea what a web container
is.
The developer will likely know what it is. I have a hard time
with
equating someone's clickety-click Mom with our average user...its
ridicules, which was really what my previous response was directed
towards.
There are a lot of experienced J2EE developers out there who have
only
ever used full commercial stacks. Asking them to choose between
two
web
containers is like asking them to choose EJB, MQ and Web Service
implementations. They may pick Tomcat because they vaguely
recognize
the name, but having to make that choice will add anxiety to
their
install experience.
I am sorry but I cannot agree here. I cannot believe there are
many
"experienced" *J2EE* developers who have no idea what a web
container
is. That is preposterous. Are there some? Sure - but I would
say
very
few. However, in servlet 101...of which many of these
un-knowledgable
users would go, surely a mention of a web container, what it is,
and
what they can use (including books, articles, internet), they
should
have a minimal understanding of web containers.
Geronimo is also likely to become popular in academic settings
(both
classroom and self-study) where people will need to install the
server
before they get around to learning what a web container is.
The academic component is such a small microcosm in the grand
scheme of
users, this not even a reason to think its has a major effect of
the
overall user-base. We should push the direction of Geronimo
towards
what the community wants. If the community wants Jetty, give
it to
them. If they want Tomcat, then let them have this. Let the
community
decide.
Cheers,
Erin
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