I would recommend then not using the term "Installation". Even with IT guys this typically implies installing some piece of software to simply use it ... not to setup for development and building. Perhaps "Setup for Developers" would be a better heading or if we must continue to use "Installation" then perhaps extend the heading to "Installation for Developers".

Joe

Hernan Cunico wrote:
Hi all,
for getting Geronimo up and running really fast, there is already the *Quick start - Apache Geronimo for the impatient* section where you get it running right from the binaries.

My original idea for the *Installation* section was to have a complete set of instructions for downloading and building. Initially focused on the alternatives for downloading from svn and then, once you have the source, all the options for complete/modular building.

I believe that not only developers will be interested in partial builds. What about IT guys (and I'm one of them) looking for performance improvement or resources optimization?

I will reorganize the *Installation* section to make the subtopics and scope more clear.

Cheers!
Hernan

Prasad Kashyap wrote:

I agree with Matt. If you want to call it an "Installation document", then it must be geared towards the users installing Geronimo. They care little about building it. They would be the ones downloading the binaries and wanting to get G up and running quickly.

The steps being discussed in this thread should go in something like a "Developers Section" .

Cheers
Prasad

On 1/6/06, *Matt Hogstrom* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:

    I think we've now crossed teh chasm to where there are two types of
    users.
    Developers of Geronimo and Users of Geronimo.  So far this thread
    has been
    talking about developers but I think we also need a User section
    that describes
    teh process of installation from a downloaded binary rather than
    having to worry
    about SVN.  We can then augment that with some updated doc on the
    installer.

    Thoughts?

    Matt

    John Sisson wrote:
     > You need to do the fresh-checkout the first time you get the
    source so
     > that you get the OpenEJB code (from CVS).  AFAIK, you shouldn't
    need to
     > do a fresh-checkout again because an m:update will update both
    svn and
     > OpenEJB CVS files.
     >
     > Not sure why you would need to do a fresh-checkout a second time
    for the
     > second round to work.
     >
     > John
     >
     > Hernan Cunico wrote:
     >
     >> On my machine, if I don't do a fresh-checkout the build fails.
    In fact
>> it always fails the first attempt and the second round works as long
     >> as I do the fresh-checkout.
     >>
     >> Any idea why this is happening?
     >>
     >> Cheers!
     >> Hernan
     >>
     >> Sachin Patel wrote:
     >>
     >>>
     >>> - sachin
     >>>
     >>>
     >>>
     >>> On Jan 5, 2006, at 4:16 PM, Hernan Cunico wrote:
     >>>
     >>>> Hi Jason,
     >>>> how is the installation doc coming, do you need any help on the
     >>>> confluence side?
     >>>>
     >>>> I saw what you started to work on the "Getting the source code"
>>>> section, I would suggest to keep this task simple. We do not want
     >>>> to _scare_ the users with way too complicated commands and
     >>>> parameters, all at once.
     >>>>
     >>>> There are basically four steps to get the source and build
     >>>> Geronimo, so I would focus on those first.
     >>>>
>>>> 1.- svn checkout https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/geronimo/tags/
     >>>> 1.0.0/ <geronimo_home>
     >>>> 2.- cd <geronimo_home>
     >>>> 3.- maven m:fresh-checkout
     >>>> 4.- maven new
     >>>>
     >>>> Then, the next time you want to build you just do an update
     >>>>
     >>>> 1.- cd <geronimo_home>
     >>>> 2.- maven m:update
     >>>> 3.- maven m:fresh-checkout
     >>>
     >>>
     >>>
     >>>
     >>> Take out #3
     >>>
     >>>> 4.- maven new
     >>>
     >>>
     >>>
     >>>
     >>> add -o
     >>>
     >>>>
>>>> (BTW, all the steps should be validated and make sure they are up-
     >>>> to-date)
     >>>>
>>>> Once you explained the basics then you can go more in detail with >>>> all the other options for retrieving the source code and building >>>> Geronimo. It would also be nice to include common building errors,
     >>>> how to identify them, probable causes and solutions.
     >>>>
     >>>> Again, this is just a suggestion. What you think about this
    approach?
     >>>>
>>>> As for update preference, I think is best to update as you go so
     >>>> everybody can test your instructions and provide early comments
     >>>> that will make corrections (if any) easier.
     >>>>
     >>>> Cheers!
     >>>> Hernan
     >>>>
     >>>> Jason Lenhart wrote:
     >>>>
     >>>>> Hi,
     >>>>> I am starting on the Installation section of the docs
     >>>>> - I have been running around like a maniac doing stuff
     >>>>> (mostly holiday things) - so I am a bit slow to
     >>>>> produce.  But I am setting aside some time each day to
     >>>>> contribute more and more to the docs.  If you start to
     >>>>> see me go off base - please feel free to call me out
     >>>>> :-D
     >>>>> Also - is the preference to complete a section and
     >>>>> then update?  I started and updated but it is not
     >>>>> complete.
     >>>>> Thanks,
     >>>>> Jason
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     >>>
     >>>
     >>>
     >>
     >
     >
     >
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