On Aug 17, 2006, at 11:46 AM, System Architect wrote: I feel strongly that is should be stated:
Testing is not a "relatively specific use case" but a natural stage in a lifecycle of an application. You cannot grow into an adult without being a kid first. And how well one were treated as a child, how much warmth one received from parents - defines the adulthood success or failure. This - unmodified - applies to any complex program.
"Testing and dubugging" mode is a first class citizen of an application server and should be treated as such.
But Ian made a good point - we don't always want test facilities being available in production environment. And because they are IDE specific - maybe they belong to the IDE adapter? Sort of modified SharedLib GBean installed by IDE integration.
Yes this is certainly a good point. A modified SharedLib GBean is a good idea, but keep in mind that you would not want to change your application's deployment plan to reference this modified sharedlib and keep the existing dependency as-is. If this is possible, then its certainly something to look into.
And then - the resolver, when looking for resources, asks this bean first before going to startdard Geronimo classloaders? This bean - in turn - maintains a pool of classloaders to dynamically supply IDE resources to other - IDE based - applications?
Modifying the classloaders is something kind of what we tried last release, but it only solved very minimal set of cases and thus quickly discovered its not a runtime issue, its a build time issue. The builders themselves need to be changed, when the configuration is built up.
~oleg
On 8/17/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:Hi Sachin,
I apologize in advance if I say anything exceedingly ignorant and/or foolish...
Given that this functionality is meant for a relatively specific use case (utilizing Geronimo as a developer's test environment), and that having this functionality in a production environment is generally considered undesirable, would it be possible to implement this functionality within an external plugin which wouldn't normally be present in a Production or QA environment, but which could be installed in a development environment?
Ian
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08/17/2006 08:06 AM
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So does anyone have any ideas on an agreeable solution to this JIRA? I don't think David's comments in the JIRA as an alternate solution don't fully address the problem.
(1) Need to be able to provide external individual jar entries to the shared library (2) Need to be able to add additional external classes folder to the shared library (3) Do both without having to modify the server config which requires a server restart, which needs to be avoided. At worst case the shared lib config should need to be recycled.
This again I must stress, is a development time scenario to be able to treat Geronimo as a "test environment". I understand the implications of doing this, and agree that this should not be an in-production feature that we should be promoting. But in order to improve our tooling integration with the runtime, we must start putting in features that may not necessarily make sense from a pure runtime perspective but certainly does from a development standpoint.
Input appreciated.
-sachin
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