Jacek Laskowski wrote: > On 8/23/06, Jeff Genender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I hope this is not taken negatively...as it is not meant that way... > > Come on, Jeff. Nothing's going to be taken this way. Try it out and be > prepared to fail :P >
Well...sometimes we need to be careful how we word things...I am not the best communicator and its easy to read into people's emails ;-) Starting an email in the fashion that I did sometimes will defuse a potentially hot situation. >> I think it is worth talking about, especially when we think bootstrap >> will go away. I respect Jason's disdain for Windows, but it also is the >> most used and most popular OS...which means it probably represents a >> large base of our community. :) > > ...and it's the only environment I can work on. I'm definitely for > supporting it as much as we can, but not more than it's really > necessary. The less platform-specific scripts the better. > Of course, but its also S.O.P. that there is generally a *nix style script and a Windows one..thats why we have 2 geronimo startup scripts, as does just about every app server out there. Thats also why there is a mvn script and a mvn.bat script ;-) > > What I don't like in your comment was a reference to Mark as its mere > support. It's a community matter and anyone can step up and support it > in any way (s)he wishes. So (watch out this sentence ;-)), once we > decide to commit it to the repo it's Jeff, Jacek and other committers > who are in charge of supporting it. Mark has been keen to author a > change, but *we* (the community, but committers especially) are obeyed > to keep it in sync and updated. > Yes, Jacek, I clearly know that anyone can step up, and I surely did not mean that Mark is only support. I think you took this completely wrong (one of those things again where people read emails differently than they are intended). Here is my long winded explanation: >From my perspective, Jason does not enjoy working with Windows and he has made that rather clear. The last thing I wanted was, since he stepped up with all of this Maven conversion, that he would be put in a position of having to support it. First, although there is no ownership, people do get pigeon holed into responsibilities of supporting the technologies they work on...and I did not want that to happen to Jason, as that is not fair to him. I can say that anytime something goes wrong with Tomcat, etc, I get nudges on the side to fix things. I know this group pretty well and my comment was simply to head off a long back-and-forth email thread. They usually go like this: Person A) I want to do this Person B) I don't like that, how about you do this? Person A) Are you volunteering? Person B) No Person A) Well if you are not volunteering I am not willing to do it unless someone will. Person A) I am sure Person C will support it Person C) Yes I am happy to support it End of Thread. Look familiar? ;-) So I hope you see (if you re-read my statements) that I was filling in the blanks for a future email engagement and trying to keep this one as short as possible. Anyways..its moot. Jason came up with an excellent solution that supports all platforms...but I did want to respond to your comments so there is no misunderstanding here. I think we can officially end this thread now since all parties are very pleased with the end result ;-) Jeff
