If it's for developers, maybe add Maven too. -Jack
2008/12/16 Donald Woods <dwo...@apache.org> > OS+Java 6+FF3+Server+Samples+Eclipse+GEP would be ideal for developers.... > > > -Donald > > > > Jason Dillon wrote: > >> Any idea why kinda of images you'd like to see? I'm gonna try and craft a >> simple, base-os+Geronimo image to test out. But I think we might want one >> which has say roller configured perhaps even another which can demonstrate >> AMQ's message distribution over a cluster. >> >> --jason >> >> >> On Dec 15, 2008, at 3:24 PM, David Jencks wrote: >> >> I think this is a great idea. I doubt we can host it at apache..... >>> unless we do something like bsd + harmony (not even sure if that is likely >>> to work) >>> >>> thanks >>> david jencks >>> >>> On Dec 15, 2008, at 12:01 AM, Jason Dillon wrote: >>> >>> I've been playing around with VMWare, trying to optimize my >>>> virtualization configuration, and it occurred to me that folks who are >>>> savvy >>>> to the virtualization concept might benefit from having a >>>> linux+openjdk+geronimo appliance ready to "play with" perhaps another which >>>> is "ready for enterprise configuration". >>>> >>>> From an Apache POV its another distribution, specific to a >>>> virtualization tool, like VMWare, but users who already have the required >>>> tools installed, can basically download + install + run, and they have a >>>> functional environment... >>>> >>>> IMO this is really nice as it drops a ton of evil platform issues (er ya >>>> *F*-windows) but also can resolve issues about which JDK did you install >>>> and >>>> did you configure your JAVA_HOME, blah, blah, blah. There are a ton of >>>> problems a newbie might run into when trying to play around with Geronimo >>>> as >>>> we all know. >>>> >>>> Granted, not everyone is going to have a virtualization environment >>>> setup, but some will I'm sure... probably even the more savvy users I would >>>> guess (and well we can probably give docs to explain how to setup some virt >>>> stuff too if needed). But those who do, we can deliver them highly >>>> functionally images for "playing" or images tailored for enterprise >>>> consumption. That might be one which is bare-minimum for folks that need a >>>> starting point to roll uber-custom configurations (perhaps with a nice >>>> build >>>> env setup already for them, primed with repo artifacts) or one for users >>>> that want to deploy clustered ejb+web applications, and then another for >>>> simple web apps. >>>> >>>> Seems to me that the advantage here is that you can configure the server >>>> and provide simple admin+user documentation on a known quantity... that >>>> being the VM which we publish for them. That VM *should* perform >>>> *approximately* the same on any non-virtual host configuration (assuming we >>>> craft the image correctly). But, okay I'm no math genius, but from my >>>> perspective... lets say 10x users have a problem due to config stuff right >>>> now, maybe 1-2x might have a problem with the image (its damn easy to setup >>>> a VM-configuration these days, and also damn easy to install an image). >>>> >>>> So, *assuming* that folks are savvy with VM-technology, it might very >>>> well be *easier* to provide a VM image pre-configured for their >>>> evaluation/exploration of Geronimo. >>>> >>>> I don't really expect folks to use that image for production, but I >>>> would expect them to learn from then image to build their production >>>> environment, perhaps even copying the configuration from the image as a >>>> bootstrap (and I think we should provide docs on how to do that). Though >>>> for some folks, the image (say the simple webapp image) might work just >>>> fine. >>>> >>>> I've seen a lot of mails about system dependent problems... windows >>>> especially, damn I hate that platform... but there are other problems too. >>>> Like folks on Redhat who don't uninstall the crappy GNU java muck and >>>> manually install the sun/ibm JDK, etc. So I'm not just hating on windows >>>> (though you and I both know I really, really, really... really hate it). >>>> >>>> * * * >>>> >>>> Bottom line is that I think use of virtual machines is becoming more >>>> popular. I think it would be beneficial to Geronimo if we provided one (or >>>> more) virtual machines images to showcase Geronimo's full power... and >>>> reduce the myriad of complications some initial users run into why running >>>> locally on their own systems. And furthermore, we can provide more >>>> customized images which fully exploit the full power of the system, without >>>> having to go and complicate our build (create new assemblies, slowing down >>>> build/dev times, etc). >>>> >>>> After writing all this, I think the only real issue is, since we are >>>> part of Apache and this would technically be considered some sort of >>>> *release* artifact... who does including Linux (whatever distro) jive with >>>> the ASF legally? >>>> >>>> I believe its a good idea... obviously or I would not have wasted the >>>> time to try and explain my thoughts to you. But I'm unsure that the ASF >>>> can >>>> allow for such things, short of an ASF operating-system coming into >>>> existence (which I'm neither counting on, nor hope happens). Perhaps a >>>> separate sourceforge or code.google project might suite better for legal >>>> issues? >>>> >>>> Anyways, seems like a good idea, I'd like to see it happen, its not that >>>> hard... what do you folks think? >>>> >>>> --jason >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >>
