Of course you arr right, I am more worried about the migration path in combination with the final result.

On 22.11.2017 14:30, Cédric Champeau wrote:
Said differently, if you depend on `groovy-all`, it will _effectively_ bring groovy, groovy-json, groovy-xml, groovy-...

All of those can be proper modules (as long as we fix the split packages). Then if someone else only brings in `groovy` + `groovy-json`, there's no conflict.

2017-11-22 14:29 GMT+01:00 Cédric Champeau <cedric.champ...@gmail.com <mailto:cedric.champ...@gmail.com>>:

    That's precisely what I'm saying: we don't need a fat jar. We need a
    _module_ (Maven/Gradle sense of a module), which brings in the jars
    of the individual modules (JPMS sense). So there's no such think as
    a fat jar anymore, we don't need it.

    2017-11-22 14:26 GMT+01:00 Jochen Theodorou <blackd...@gmx.org
    <mailto:blackd...@gmx.org>>:



        Am 22.11.2017 um 11:47 schrieb Cédric Champeau:

            What is the advantage of providing a fat jar, if you can
            have a "virtual" dependency, groovy-all, which brings all
            the others in? There used to be a difference, but now it's
            not that clear.


        How are you going to express dependencies with automatic
        modules? They are automatic, because they lack the information a
        proper module provides and part of that information is the
        dependencies afaik. JPMS != maven.

        If you want groovy-all to bring in all the dependencies, then
        basically it is an almost empty jar with dependencies and the
        dependencies are the real modules. the fat-jar itself cannot
        provide any packages those dependencies to provide, otherwise
        you have conflicts. The empty groovy-all-approach is something
        we could go for in maven too of course. But its is not a fatjar
        then ;)

        bye Jochen




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