Thank you for chiming in, Cos. I actually read Jenn's comment to mean the IT community in general, not this project. In general I am a big fan of blaming myself first to try and learn, rather than seeking to blame outside factors, but I would not recommend that you try to take personal responsibility for the very low percentage of for example female engineers, female managers, or people of color in IT in general. We can only try to be aware of the biases that we inevitably have, and make our projects and interactions as welcoming as possible. I joined this project fairly recently, so I wasn't there when you were mentoring, but I am sure you did a great job.
Remko On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 1:13 PM Konstantin Boudnik <c...@apache.org> wrote: > Thank you for chiming in, Jenn. > > As you mention "problems our community faces with inclusivity" - would > you mind mention a case of such a problem in the past? I was one of the > mentors of this project (as in was a part of it from its early days in > ASF), so I guess I am missing something in this regard. And it would > help me to do my job better next time as a mentor of new projects. > > Feel free to send me a private note if you feel uncomfortable to share > this on dev@ > > -- > Thank you, > Cos > > On 2020-06-13 23:23, Jenn Strater wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > I find this thread especially the responses very educational in regards > > to the problems our community faces with inclusivity. I know my vote > > doesn't count, but +1 from me. > > > > Jenn > > > > On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 9:59 AM Thibault Kruse <tibokr...@googlemail.com > > <mailto:tibokr...@googlemail.com>> wrote: > > > > On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 19:18 Alessio Stalla <alessiosta...@gmail.com > > <mailto:alessiosta...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Well, perhaps it ought to be "black" people who get to say > > whether they feel offended by white/blacklist, and in that E. > > Kemokai's answer is very valuable. > > > > > > Some expressions are non-inclusive even if no person were to feel > > offended by them. The typical case against "blacklist" can be found > > e.g here: > > > https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/master/styleguide/inclusive_code.md > > > > "Terms such as “blacklist” and “whitelist” reinforce the notion that > > black==bad and white==good. 'That Word /Black'/, by Langston Hughes > > < > https://mcwriting11.blogspot.com/2014/06/that-word-black-by-langston-hughes.html > > illustrates > > this problem in a lighthearted, if somewhat pointed way." > > > > This has been discussed so often online right now, it does not seem > > useful to discuss it again starting at zero without reference to an > > existing discussion. > > >
