On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 10:14 PM, Xiao-Feng Li <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Nathan Beyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 7:43 PM, Xiao-Feng Li <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 10:56 PM, Tim Ellison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > MSVC2005 is a minimum requirement now, I think. > > > > > > > > I am running fine on MS VStudio 2003. > > > > > > I see almost all of those new Harmony users were frustrated by the > > > build failures with VS2005, so it's not only a developer's issue. We > > > should be realistic and Harmony better be user-friendly. > > > > > > > Does the build documentation say that anything besides VS2003 is > > supported? I agree that we should try to get things working on VS2005, > > but is there a problem in our documentation that's confusing people? > > That the documentation doesn't say doesn't mean the users won't try. > We should be realistic and Harmony should be user-friendly. It's year > 2008 now. If the documentation doesn't say Harmony supports > application HelloWorld, can't the users try it? ;) >
Please don't use the "it's year 2008" argument, ugh. We've been using VS2003 since the beginning, so heard the "year 2006" and "year 2007" arguments, but we're still on it. Like Tim suggested, let's see the contributions. -Nathan > Thanks, > xiaofeng > > > > > -Nathan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sure people would be happy to update the code to run on any > later > > > > versions too, as we have in the past [1]. We just need people with > > > > those later versions to tell us what to change. > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > xiaofeng > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=rev&revision=591059 > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Link below is what I suggested 1.5 years ago: > > > > > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/harmony-dev/200607.mbox/[EMAIL > PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > xiaofeng > > > > > > > > > > On 3/6/08, Alexei Fedotov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >> Johnny, > > > > >> You are welcome to return when you get some rest. I believe > anyone can > > > > >> learn how to build a Harmony provided he has enough time and > passion. > > > > >> Thank you for your energy and enthusiasm. > > > > >> > > > > >> All, do we want to switch to something newer? MSVC 2005? Or MSVC > 2008? > > > > >> Or Cygwin's gcc? > > > > >> J9 funs, may J9 dependency from a specific runtime prove an > issue? > > > > >> Stepan, Alexey, CC owners, I'm asking you because enabling > efforts > > > > >> look lighter for me compared to BTI transition. > > > > >> > > > > >> Thanks. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Johnny Kewl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > >>> You know when I first looked at this I said lets do JRELite, > which I see > > > > >> as the future of Java, and > > > > >>> to do this, I'm going to take Harmony and "break it into little > > > > >> pieces"... ha ha > > > > >>> Well I stand before you humbled and broken, Harmony broke me > into little > > > > >> pieces, bashed my head against the wall and then drowned me ;) > > > > >>> I think it threw a few kicks in as well ;) > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Its a humungous ambitious beyond belief undertaking and even > though I've > > > > >> done plenty of C in my time, > > > > >>> cross platform coding is something else. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Have always used an IDE, and thats my problem, I just dont > know where to > > > > >> start when faced with build > > > > >>> errors... I just cant cant get it to compile on XP even now > using VS 6 > > > > >>> Its trying but when something like this happens... > > > > >>> > > > > >>> [exec] > E:\Harmony\working_classlib\deploy\include\hythread.h(137) : > > > > >> error C > > > > >>> 2146: syntax error : missing ')' before identifier 'millis' > > > > >>> > > > > >>> in this code > > > > >>> > > > > >>> extern HY_CFUNC IDATA VMCALL > > > > >>> hythread_sleep_interruptable PROTOTYPE ((I_64 millis, IDATA > nanos)); > > > > >>> > > > > >>> I know its not a real syntax error and that I_64 is probably > not > > > > >> defined... then I follow the code back and it just becomes > > > > >>> a whole bunch of cross platform defines... and then I wonder > where on > > > > >> earth the ant script defines that. > > > > >>> I tried all sorts of things and... even from VS 2005 and there > for some > > > > >> reason its trying to compile the > > > > >>> linux folders and not the win32... and I think where on earth > do you tell > > > > >> the ant script to change that. > > > > >>> Or is it hiding in a mak file... I now officially give up. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> How on earth does one go about bringing code back from ant > driven.... to > > > > >> IDE driven... that beats me. > > > > >>> All these dependencies... for me impossible. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> So I leave you gurus to do your thing... I can see you damn > good, and > > > > >> that you are working > > > > >>> damn hard, but the size of this project and my skill levels > lacking the > > > > >> ability to even get it to a dev environment means > > > > >>> .... Harmony has kicked my butt ;) > > > > >>> > > > > >>> We going try kludge JRELite from J2SE... but that really means > internal > > > > >> company use only... its a fun thing. > > > > >>> Just before I go, I want to show you something and why I > believe JRELite > > > > >> is the future... > > > > >>> This technology is something your truely invented because we > dont like > > > > >> EJB, now if you can just forget about that... we get flamed > regularly > > > > >>> ... the surprising thing that fell out of this was the > delivery times of > > > > >> applications. > > > > >>> With this technology applications all live on a central > server, so there > > > > >> is no application installed in the company, they are delivered. > > > > >>> And also do not get confused here... delivering application and > > > > >> delivering the API as suggested in JRELIte is NOT the same thing. > > > > >>> BUT... it is using a similar principle, ie it does not install > the JARs, > > > > >> it just sucks down what the application needs. > > > > >>> Now if you degrade yourselves ;) and set this up on a MS > system.... watch > > > > >> how fast the applications are delivered. > > > > >>> In most cases, on a LAN... in under a second.... so you see, I > wasnt > > > > >> totally open... I know JRELite will work. > > > > >>> Its (if you can just forget about the competition with EJB)... > a good way > > > > >> for you to see how your JreLite would work, when you deliver > API... > > > > >> http://coolharbor.100free.com/index.htm > > > > >>> Best of luck to you. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> -- > > > > >> With best regards, > > > > >> Alexei > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > http://xiao-feng.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > > http://xiao-feng.blogspot.com >
