I just mean how do we manage the dependencies. We do not ship hbase with aws-sdk, but I believe users can put the related jars under lib and then use S3AFileSystem. I think we can support ozone in the same way?
Viraj Jasani <vjas...@apache.org> 于2023年3月17日周五 13:33写道： > WAL is still kept on hdfs only, even when hfiles are kept in s3 AFAIK. But > here it seems, both WAL and HFiles can be kept in Ozone IIUC. > > > On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 8:46 PM 张铎(Duo Zhang) <palomino...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > How do we support S3 as HFile storage currently? I do not think we have > > added aws-sdk as a direct dependency in HBase now? > > > > Viraj Jasani <vjas...@apache.org> 于2023年3月17日周五 04:37写道： > > > > > +1, similar to what was done in the past for using > > > HdfsDataOutputStreamBuilder that was available since hadoop 2.9 or so I > > > think. > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 1:04 PM Andrew Purtell < > andrew.purt...@gmail.com > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > It should be done with reflection rather than take a direct > dependency, > > > > until Hadoop common interfaces are available in what we consider the > > > lowest > > > > supported version. > > > > > > > > > On Mar 16, 2023, at 12:35 PM, Viraj Jasani <vjas...@apache.org> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It would be nice using PathCapabilities to determine lease > recovery > > > as a > > > > > feature flag. > > > > > In fact, s3a and abfs have lots of feature flags being derived from > > > this > > > > > API already. It would be good for dfs and ozone to recognize lease > > > > recovery > > > > > as a capability. > > > > > > > > > > However, this alone might not be sufficient and something like > > > > > RecoverableFileSystem interface would be helpful as long as we can > > > > abstract > > > > > out lease recovery (and safe mode etc) options as hbase anyways > need > > to > > > > > perform them. > > > > > > > > > > Hence, having both: a) path capability to identify if lease > recovery > > > etc > > > > > features are available and b) a new FileSystem interface that both > > dfs > > > > and > > > > > ozone can implement, would be great IMHO. Because even if we just > > have > > > > path > > > > > capability for the feature flag, we would still end up adding ozone > > > > > dependency (unless done with reflection as Andrew mentioned) to > > perform > > > > > lease recovery unless lease recovery is abstracted out somewhere in > > > > hadoop. > > > > > > > > > >> One of the original worries is if the Hadoop/HDFS community > > > > >> would reject our proposal when we change the base > interface/abstract > > > > class > > > > >> in FileSystem (if it's non-backward compatible). > > > > > > > > > > I believe, new IA.Public interface in hadoop that can abstract out > > > lease > > > > > recovery etc would have less likelihood of getting rejected than > > > "making > > > > > changes in FileSystem directly". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 2:07 AM Tak Lon (Stephen) Wu < > > > tak...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> In addition, I'm yet confirm but based on another search in the > > hadoop > > > > >> code, we may be able to add recover lease as a feature flag in > > > > >> CommonPathCapabilities [3] and can be used by the interface of > > > > >> PathCapabilities#hasPathCapability [4]. (this is similar to > > > > >> StreamCapabilities as mentioned by Viraj) > > > > >> > > > > >> 3. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/hadoop/blob/branch-3.3/hadoop-common-project/hadoop-common/src/main/java/org/apache/hadoop/fs/CommonPathCapabilities.java > > > > >> 4. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/hadoop/blob/branch-3.3/hadoop-common-project/hadoop-common/src/main/java/org/apache/hadoop/fs/PathCapabilities.java > > > > >> > > > > >> -Stephen > > > > >> > > > > >>> On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 12:00 AM Tak Lon (Stephen) Wu < > > > > tak...@apache.org> > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Thanks everyone ! Sean helped to clarify that something like DFS > > > > specific > > > > >>> APIs used by HBase has been in-place in many HBase modules as the > > > > feature > > > > >>> implementation but yet standardized in hadoop general FileSystem > > API, > > > > >> e.g. > > > > >>> lease recovery. One of the original worries is if the Hadoop/HDFS > > > > >> community > > > > >>> would reject our proposal when we change the base > > interface/abstract > > > > >> class > > > > >>> in FileSystem (if it's non-backward compatible). The discussion > > here > > > > >> helps > > > > >>> to confirm the direction, and let's see how we can make it > generic > > > and > > > > >>> could help to avoid confusion in both places. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Thanks again, > > > > >>> Stephen > > > > >>> > > > > >>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 2:54 PM Andrew Purtell < > > > > andrew.purt...@gmail.com > > > > >>> > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> Then Hadoop should add one and although we would need a > reflection > > > > >> based > > > > >>>> check in the interim we can converge toward the ideal. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> In any case I believe we can avoid a direct dependency on Ozone > > and > > > > >> should > > > > >>>> strongly avoid taking such unnecessary dependencies. The Hadoop > > and > > > > >> HBase > > > > >>>> build dependency sets are already very large and we and other > > users > > > > are > > > > >>>> being hit with significant security issue remediation work, much > > of > > > > >> which > > > > >>>> represents compatibility problems and is not upstreamable (like > > > > >> protobuf 2 > > > > >>>> removal in 2.x). We struggle with the existing dependencies > enough > > > > >> already > > > > >>>> at my employer. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>> On Mar 15, 2023, at 1:53 PM, Sean Busbey <bus...@apache.org> > > > wrote: > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> the check that Stephen is referring to is for logic around > lease > > > > >>>> recovery > > > > >>>>> and not stream flush/sync. the lease recovery is specific to > DFS > > > > >> IIRC and > > > > >>>>> doesn't have a FileSystem marker. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 3:22 PM Andrew Purtell < > > > apurt...@apache.org > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> So we can test StreamCapabilities in code, in worst case by > > > wrapping > > > > >>>> some > > > > >>>>>> probe code during startup with try-catch and examining the > > > > >> exception. > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 1:09 PM Viraj Jasani < > > vjas...@apache.org > > > > > > > > >>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> As of today, both WAL impl (fshlog and asyncfs) throw > > > > >>>>>>> StreamLacksCapabilityException if the FS Data OutputStream > > probe > > > > >> fails > > > > >>>>>> for > > > > >>>>>>> Hflush/Hsync: > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> StreamLacksCapabilityException(StreamCapabilities.HFLUSH) > > > > >>>>>>> and > > > > >>>>>>> StreamLacksCapabilityException(StreamCapabilities.HSYNC) > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 12:51 PM Andrew Purtell < > > > > >> apurt...@apache.org> > > > > >>>>>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> Does Hadoop have a marker interface that lets an application > > > know > > > > >> its > > > > >>>>>>>> FileSystem instances can support hsync/hflush? Ideally all > we > > > > >> should > > > > >>>>>> need > > > > >>>>>>>> to do is test with instanceof for that marker and use > > reflection > > > > >> (in > > > > >>>>>> the > > > > >>>>>>>> worst case) to get a handle to the hsync or hflush method, > and > > > > >> then > > > > >>>>>> call > > > > >>>>>>>> it. This approach should be taken wherever we have a > > requirement > > > > >> to > > > > >>>>>> use a > > > > >>>>>>>> special WAL specific API provided by the underlying > > FileSystem, > > > > >> so we > > > > >>>>>> can > > > > >>>>>>>> abstract it sufficiently to not require a direct dependency > on > > > > >> Ozone > > > > >>>> or > > > > >>>>>>> S3A > > > > >>>>>>>> or any non HDFS filesystem. > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 12:31 PM Tak Lon (Stephen) Wu < > > > > >>>>>> tak...@apache.org > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Hi team, > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Recently, Wei-Chiu and I have been discussing about if > HBase > > > can > > > > >> use > > > > >>>>>>>>> Ozone as another storage as WAL (see the hsync and hflush > > JIRAs > > > > >> [1]) > > > > >>>>>>>>> and HFile, for HFile it’s pluggable by configuring the file > > > > >> system to > > > > >>>>>>>>> use Ozone File System (Ozone) > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> But we found that the WAL it’s a bit different, especially > > > > >>>>>>>>> RecoverLeaseFSUtils#recoverFileLease [2], it has one check > > > about > > > > >> if > > > > >>>>>>>>> the file system is an instance of HDFS, and thus WAL > recovery > > > to > > > > >>>>>>>>> execute file lease recovery from RS crashes. Here, if we > > would > > > > >> like > > > > >>>>>> to > > > > >>>>>>>>> add Ozone, it does not matter by importing as a direct > > > > >> dependency to > > > > >>>>>>>>> perform similar lease recovery or via reflection by class > > name > > > in > > > > >>>>>>>>> plaintext String, we still need to somehow introduce Ozone > to > > > be > > > > >>>>>>>>> another supported file system. (we can discuss how we can > > > > >> implement > > > > >>>>>>>>> better as well) > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> We also found other places e.g. FSUtils and HFileSystem > have > > > used > > > > >>>>>>>>> DistributedFileSystem, but it should be able to move them > > into > > > > >> either > > > > >>>>>>>>> hbase-asyncfs or a new FS related component to separate the > > use > > > > >> of > > > > >>>>>>>>> different supported file systems. > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> So, we’re wondering if anyone would have any objections to > > > adding > > > > >>>>>>>>> Ozone as a dependency to hbase-asyncfs? or if you have a > > better > > > > >> idea > > > > >>>>>>>>> how this could be added without adding Ozone as dependency, > > > > >> please > > > > >>>>>>>>> feel free to comment on this thread. > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> [1] Ozone is working on support for hsync and hflush, > > > > >>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HDDS-7593, > > > > >>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HDDS-4353 > > > > >>>>>>>>> [2] RecoverLeaseFSUtils#recoverFileLease, > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/hbase/blob/master/hbase-asyncfs/src/main/java/org/apache/hadoop/hbase/util/RecoverLeaseFSUtils.java#L53-L63 > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Thanks, > > > > >>>>>>>>> Stephen > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Viraj > > > > > > > > > >
