Another advantage of separate doc ticket is that when we are making a release it's easier to tell what has been checked in already and what else needs to be done and whether we should hold the release due to doc issues or not. Release notes are only useful for people who already have a lot of experience with the product.
Eugene On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Lefty Leverenz <leftylever...@gmail.com>wrote: > Could a new status such as "Just needs doc" be added? Or perhaps a > resolution such as "Undocumented"? Because folks who want to get their > hands on new features need a way to know when the code is ready, even if > the doc is missing. > > Sometimes information is available if you know where to look for it (JIRA > comments & patches, javadocs, tests) or if slides are available from a > presentation. Sometimes tinkering around works, or using the mailing > lists. > > Sure, that's not good enough for general users so pushing for wikidocs > seems like a good idea. But let's not create a limbo of features and fixes > waiting for docs. Unless new doc resources are going to be allocated soon > ... ? <Shameless plug for getting more Hive tech writers.> > > I like the release notes idea. When the doc is too elaborate for release > notes, a link to the wikidoc could be given. If a design doc has current > information, that could be noted. If javadocs are sufficient, the classes > could be listed. > > A minor advantage of using a separate doc ticket is that it can be assigned > to a writer or different developer without obscuring the coding > responsibility. And, of course, it boosts the JIRA count for contributors > on the Credits <http://hive.apache.org/credits.html#Contributors> page > (except that the link is broken). > > > -- Lefty > > > On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Thejas Nair <the...@hortonworks.com> > wrote: > > > There is no guarantee that the subtask will ever get completed after > > the feature goes in. There is no point of new features if users can't > > actually figure how to use it. > > I think we should either add sufficient documentation in the release > > notes section of jira or add doc in wiki as upcoming feature before we > > commit the changes. > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Eugene Koifman <ekoif...@hortonworks.com > > > > wrote: > > > I think opening a separate doc ticket and making it a subtask of the > dev > > > ticket works pretty well. The subtask can contain notes specific to > > > documentation. > > > > > > Eugene > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 12:16 AM, Lars Francke <lars.fran...@gmail.com > > >wrote: > > > > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> I wanted to ask how people feel about a policy where an issue is not > > >> closed until documentation has been added to the Wiki? > > >> > > >> Problematic issues fall roughly in two categories: > > >> * They have a generic title (add UDF for XY) an attached patch and a > > >> few code reviews without ever even mentioning what the name or usage > > >> of the new UDF is (<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HIVE-5252>) > > >> > > >> * They have a design document or description with the intended syntax > > >> but that's often not the final form so one has to look up the patch > > >> (can't find a good example right now) > > >> > > >> Both are a lot of work to document for someone who has not followed > > >> that issue. Tracking undocumented things would be got to not forget > > >> about it and to have an incentive to do it. > > >> > > >> Obviously not all things need documentation, and not all things need > > >> to be documented by the person who submitted the patch. But to make > > >> things easier for documentation people it'd be great if the issue > > >> could contain an up to date description of at least the syntax changes > > >> and configuration options etc. so that we can tidy it up and transfer > > >> it to the wiki. It's not nice to dig through patches for this. > > >> > > >> Another alternative would be to open issues like "Document HIVE-5252" > > >> but I like the other option better. > > >> > > >> What do people think? > > >> > > >> Cheers, > > >> Lars > > >> > > > > > > -- > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > > NOTICE: This message is intended for the use of the individual or > entity > > to > > > which it is addressed and may contain information that is confidential, > > > privileged and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the > reader > > > of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified > > that > > > any printing, copying, dissemination, distribution, disclosure or > > > forwarding of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > > > received this communication in error, please contact the sender > > immediately > > > and delete it from your system. 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