@Hans Van Akelyen <[email protected]>   thanks for the
explanations

Em seg., 24 de out. de 2022 às 12:06, Hans Van Akelyen <
[email protected]> escreveu:

>  Hi Ricardo,
>
> The ASF Infra team offers us a wide variety of services, list of available
> services can be found here: https://infra.apache.org/services.html
> There is actually not a single mandatory service. There are a couple of
> mandatory concepts.
>
> 1) code must be public
> 2) discussion (aka mailinglist) must be available and public
>
> If you want to set-up your own mailinglist you are free to do so (you would
> be insane to not use this service, but it is an option)
>
> So there are no standards, there are projects using Jira, Bugzilla, GH
> Issues, their own Jira, fill in the blank….
>
> Currently we are using the Jira hosted/managed by the ASF Infra team.
>
> Cheers,
> Hans
>
>
>
> On 24 October 2022 at 16:50:32, Ricardo Gouvea ([email protected])
> wrote:
>
> Just understanding the possibilities. Does being outside the Apache
> standard bring us any problem or ease?
>
> Any idea how other Apache communities are handling this?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Em seg., 24 de out. de 2022 às 11:36, Hans Van Akelyen <
> [email protected]> escreveu:
>
> > Hi Ricardo,
> >
> > The issue is not the spam itself we can delete issues and comments in our
> > Jira project too. But we have to report them to the ASF Infra team to
> > delete the user. This is putting quite a lot of strain on their team in
> the
> > past year over 10.000 accounts have been created on the Jira server. As
> > they want to migrate to Jira cloud (and will have to pay per user) the
> only
> > solution they see is restricting user creation.
> >
> > So this part of the discussion is final and can’t be changed this means
> > users can no longer create their own account in the near future.
> >
> > This means we will have to adjust our workflow…. I think we have 2
> options,
> > accept this (extra burden?) and create a ticket when we get a mail, or
> > create an account for that user. This however might increase the
> threshold
> > for people wanting to submit an issue….
> >
> > Or we move to a platform where public account creation is active Github
> > Issues, our own Jira, or random platform X….
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Hans
> >
> >
> >
> > On 24 October 2022 at 16:18:40, Ricardo Gouvea ([email protected])
> > wrote:
> >
> > I understand the situation Hans, but even migrating to GH, wouldn't we
> have
> > the same Spam problems?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Em seg., 24 de out. de 2022 às 11:06, Hans Van Akelyen <
> > [email protected]> escreveu:
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > This mail is related to a mail that is going around in the users@infra
> > > mailinglist [1] (log-in is required to view this mail).
> > >
> > > TL;DR:
> > > The Apache infra team is planning to disable public sign-up to Jira,
> > there
> > > will be a self-service tool for PMC members to create accounts for
> people
> > > that would like to have an account. There has been an ongoing fight
> with
> > > spam users creating accounts and tickets/comments on our Jira server,
> > they
> > > are also planning to move to Jira cloud and this would also restrict us
> > to
> > > a maximum number of accounts on Foundation level.
> > >
> > > These changes would mean that users will only be able to create tickets
> > > after contacting us to create an account or describe issues via the
> > public
> > > mailing list.
> > >
> > > Here are a couple of things that come to mind and would really love to
> > have
> > > input, on how you all feel about this. I will list my ideas, feel free
> to
> > > write down everything that comes to mind. I will not yet formulate my
> > final
> > > preference as it might bias things.
> > >
> > > 1) We could keep everything as-is, this would mean that when a user
> > > approaches us with an issue we either create an account for this user,
> or
> > > create the issue ourselves.
> > > Pros:
> > > - All issues will be logged on the mailinglist
> > > - We can ask/add additional information before a ticket is created
> > > - We can add a user to Jira when he plans on creating multiple issues
> and
> > > do the follow-up
> > > Cons:
> > > - More work on our side to create tickets/users
> > > - Users will have to find their way to the mailing lists
> > > - Users will not get notifications if their issue is being worked on
> (if
> > > created by us)
> > >
> > > 2) Move to another issue platform (Github Issues)
> > > Pros:
> > > - Users can create their own tickets again (more inclusive)
> > > - Tighter coupling with our source code (issue linking does work better
> > in
> > > GH)
> > > - Everything on one platform
> > > Cons:
> > > - Migration of our current issues
> > > - Triage work on the issues
> > > - More work short term to change all our docs/references/...
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Hans
> > >
> > > [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/jx9d7sp690ro660pjpttwtg209w3m39w
> > >
> >
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