* Justin Erenkrantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: <snip> > automake corrupts the build process by forcing us to give up control without > solving any fundamental problems and introduce a lot of needless complexity > and bugs into the build system. I wouldn't let any project that I hate use > it. It's awful. Greg and I and others have posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] in > the past > as to the problems introduced by automake.
ACK. But autoconf isn't much better. Generating unreadably scripts which try to detect somethings somehow and produce unpredictable output is not a good way. I have to build many binary packages for several targets (crosscompiling) and there're just a few days when the autoconf'ed configure stuff works withouut trouble. Carefully hand-written Makefiles and configure-scripts work much better. I've proposed a completely different way - modeling the abstract structure of software in a hierachical structure - in many projects, but no one listened ... <snip> > It'd add no value and would probably make our lives hell. GNU autoconf and > libtool add some value, but every once in a while, I'd like to toss those out, > too. (In a way, I already did so for GNU libtool...see APR's > --enable-experimental-libtool.) Thats a good start, but (for me) doesnt go far enough. I've written down some first concepts for a platform-independent and crosscompile-capabable universal toolchain (frontend). http://nibiru.borg.metux.de:7000/wiki/index.php/Universal_Toolchain <snip> > If we import a new PCRE tree and we need to tweak their build system, > then we can do that. But, introducing a dependency on automake isn't > an acceptable solution. -- justin If you repair pcre's (or some other package's) buildsystem - and freeing it from automake IS repairing it - I would be happy to see it this go back to the offical package. And if the maintainers refuse it, then just do a forkoff. In that case I'd offer to maintain and promote the forked branch. cu -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Enrico Weigelt == metux IT service phone: +49 36207 519931 www: http://www.metux.de/ fax: +49 36207 519932 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cellphone: +49 174 7066481 --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- DSL ab 0 Euro. -- statische IP -- UUCP -- Hosting -- Webshops -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
