+1 (non-binding)

On Fri, Aug 14, 2026 at 9:37 AM Manu Zhang <[email protected]> wrote:

> +1 (non-binding)
>
> Thanks Huaxin!
>
> On Fri, Aug 14, 2026 at 7:06 AM Bryan Keller <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> +1 non-binding
>>
>> On Aug 13, 2026, at 3:55 PM, Andrei Tserakhau via dev <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> +1 (non-binding)
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 14, 2026 at 12:16 AM Yufei Gu <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> +1(binding)
>>> Yufei
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2026 at 1:11 PM vaquar khan <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Viquar Khan
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2026, 3:04 PM Steven Wu <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> +1 (binding)
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Huaxin for driving the discussion and thanks everyone for
>>>>> contributing.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2026 at 11:18 AM Xin Huang via dev <
>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> +1 (non-binding)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2026 at 11:13 AM Russell Spitzer <
>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> +1 (binding)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2026 at 1:07 PM Hongyue Zhang <
>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> +1 (non-binding)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks Huaxin!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2026 at 11:03 Gianluca Graziadei <
>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> +1 (non-binding )
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The asymmetric cost argument is the decisive factor for me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> An equality delete allows the writer to offload work onto every
>>>>>>>>> subsequent read, and this deferred cost is neither bounded nor 
>>>>>>>>> visible to
>>>>>>>>> the party that generated it. Deletion vectors make that cost explicit 
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> ensure it is paid only once.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would also like to highlight point 3, which I think is
>>>>>>>>> underrated: making the upgrade metadata-only decouples V4 adoption 
>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>> delete file migration. Users can move to V4 on their own timeline and
>>>>>>>>> convert equality deletes as a background maintenance task. Coupling 
>>>>>>>>> the two
>>>>>>>>> would have turned V4 adoption into a weeks-long operational project 
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> large tables.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gianluca
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Il giorno gio 13 ago 2026 alle ore 19:57 Neelesh Salian <
>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> +1 (non binding) Thank you Huaxin.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 12, 2026 at 19:07 huaxin gao <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Following the discussion thread "[DISCUSS] Deprecate Equality
>>>>>>>>>>> Deletes in
>>>>>>>>>>> Iceberg V4" [1], I'd like to call a vote on the following
>>>>>>>>>>> proposal for the
>>>>>>>>>>> V4 table spec.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Proposal
>>>>>>>>>>> --------
>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Writing new equality deletes is forbidden for V4 tables: the
>>>>>>>>>>> V4 metadata
>>>>>>>>>>>    will not define equality deletes as an allowed entry type.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Reading equality deletes remains supported in the reference
>>>>>>>>>>>    implementation for backward compatibility, both for existing
>>>>>>>>>>> V2/V3
>>>>>>>>>>>    tables and for equality deletes carried over into upgraded V4
>>>>>>>>>>> tables.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Upgrading a V2/V3 table to V4 is metadata-only (no
>>>>>>>>>>> synchronous rewrite
>>>>>>>>>>>    of data or delete files). Existing equality deletes remain in
>>>>>>>>>>> carried-
>>>>>>>>>>>    over V2/V3 delete manifests; converting them to deletion
>>>>>>>>>>> vectors is a
>>>>>>>>>>>    separate, optional maintenance action.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Rationale
>>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>>> Equality deletes impose an asymmetric cost paid on every read,
>>>>>>>>>>> complicate
>>>>>>>>>>> the format, and block features such as CDC, row lineage, and
>>>>>>>>>>> incremental
>>>>>>>>>>> index/materialized-view maintenance. Deletion vectors make
>>>>>>>>>>> deletion a flat,
>>>>>>>>>>> one-time cost, and the Flink ConvertEqualityDeletes work
>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrates a
>>>>>>>>>>> viable replacement path, so we do not need the full replacement
>>>>>>>>>>> completed
>>>>>>>>>>> before forbidding new equality deletes in V4.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The vote will be open for at least 72 hours.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [ ] +1 Forbid writing equality deletes in V4
>>>>>>>>>>> [ ] +0
>>>>>>>>>>> [ ] -1 Do not forbid (please explain)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread/ks01jpv40qjlvz4yop5tlqv4x5oxbwy6
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.apache.org/thread/ks01jpv40qjlvz4yop5tlqv4x5oxbwy6__;!!LIr3w8kk_Xxm!vsYT4Z_ihSMhUpgRXcXgEUbArKyPoG3WKwSCXmmMtC_0Tg3ICMgaSOoq7WzaKsMaK4-c_vXUCsbXEVhdw7RV0di7e8S-yLUE$>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>> Huaxin
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>

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