Hi Dan and Russell,

A proposal to close the API question: replace catalogName(String) with
hadoopConf(Configuration), with Dan's FileIO lookup as the default. I agree
with Russell that catalogName does not say what it controls.

   - hadoopConf(Configuration) on DeleteOrphanFilesSparkAction is the
   Hadoop configuration the listing uses, replacing the session configuration
   when set. RemoveOrphanFilesProcedure passes the session configuration plus
   the spark.sql.catalog.<name>.hadoop.* overrides of the catalog it was
   invoked on, which is what SparkUtil.hadoopConfCatalogOverrides already
   builds for SparkCatalog. The action keeps wrapping it in
   SerializableConfiguration and no longer knows about Spark catalog names.
   - Default, per Dan's suggestion: when hadoopConf is not set and table.io()
   is HadoopConfigurable, use the configuration it holds; otherwise the
   session configuration as today. For tables loaded through SparkCatalog that
   is the session configuration plus the catalog's hadoop.* overrides, so
   HadoopFileIO and ResolvingFileIO users get the fix without calling
   anything. This reads the configuration the FileIO was built with, so there
   is no name-based catalog lookup and no catalog loading side effect,
   which is what the PR review rejected. It is a change from what I said on
   the PR, that nothing changes without opting in; I think it is the right
   default since it is the configuration the table already reads and writes
   with. Say so if you would rather keep it opt-in.

It is still one public method, on the Spark action only, not on the
DeleteOrphanFiles interface. The procedure is in a different package, so it
has to be public. Going through the generic option(...) map was discussed
in the PR review and set aside as the same thing stringly typed, and the
action already takes an arbitrary location, so a typed setter for the
configuration it lists with adds no new capability.

The default alone does not cover #17860: as in my last reply, S3FileIO,
GCSFileIO and ADLSFileIO are not HadoopConfigurable, so the listing would
still use the session configuration and fail with AccessDenied. The
spark.sql.catalog.<name>.hadoop.* overrides are the only per-catalog place
a user can configure the Hadoop FileSystem the listing uses, so the
procedure passes them. As agreed in the review, the fix stays limited to
those explicit overrides; hadoopConfCatalogOverrides keeps its contract and
the action does no credential derivation. prefix_listing does authenticate
through table.io(), but it lists serially on the driver into a single
partition (#16932, #17387), so it is not a drop-in for large tables; making
it parallel is a separate change.

Does this shape work for you? If so, or if there are no objections by the
end of next week (November 15th), I will push it to #17862 this week,
retarget the PR to the 4.2 module, ask yangshangqing95 to re-review since
his approval was on the catalogName shape, and follow with the 4.1, 4.0 and
3.5 backports. The action tests move from catalogName to hadoopConf, plus
one for the default path on a HadoopConfigurable FileIO, and
spark-procedures.md gets the default rule. If you would rather see
something else, a pointer before I rework it would help.

Thanks,
Sebastian

On Fri, Oct 30, 2026 at 7:34 AM Sebastian Daberdaku <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Daniel and Russell,
>
> Thanks for taking another look. I checked whether reading the
> configuration off the FileIO would work, and it runs into two problems:
>
>    1. S3FileIO (as well as GCSFileIO and ADLSFileIO) does not implement
>    HadoopConfigurable, so there is no Hadoop configuration to read from
>    table.io(). The setup in #17860 uses io-impl = S3FileIO, so for the
>    reported case the check would fall through to the session configuration and
>    the listing would still fail with AccessDenied.
>    2. Where the FileIO is HadoopConfigurable (HadoopFileIO,
>    ResolvingFileIO), the configuration it holds is the one
>    SparkCatalog.buildIcebergCatalog passes in, which is already
>    SparkUtil.hadoopConfCatalogOverrides(spark, name). In those cases the two
>    approaches produce the same configuration.
>
> The spark.sql.catalog.<name>.hadoop.* overrides are the only place a user
> can tell the Hadoop listing how to authenticate when the catalog's FileIO
> is not Hadoop-based, which is why the PR routes through them.
>
> Best,
>
> Sebastian
>
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2026 at 12:11 AM Russell Spitzer <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Sorry "bit disconnected"
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2026 at 6:10 PM Russell Spitzer <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I would check out Dan's suggestion. We should try any solutions we can
>>> that avoid expanding the API, especially when the connection here between
>>> the behavior and the API is a bad disconnected.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2026 at 4:53 PM Daniel Weeks <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sebastian,
>>>>
>>>> It's been a little while since I looked at this, but wouldn't it make
>>>> more sense to interrogate the FileIO to see if it's HadoopConfigurable and
>>>> grab the exact configuration used by the IO rather than go through this
>>>> catalog path?
>>>>
>>>> At that point, you'd have the exact configuration and overrides for
>>>> that specific table.
>>>>
>>>> -Dan
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2026 at 1:15 AM Sebastian Daberdaku via dev <
>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd like to get some eyes on a PR that fixes a credentials mismatch in
>>>>> remove_orphan_files, and agree on the approach before I port it across
>>>>> Spark versions:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://github.com/apache/iceberg/pull/17862 (closes #17860)
>>>>>
>>>>> Problem
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless prefix_listing is enabled, DeleteOrphanFilesSparkAction lists
>>>>> the table location with a Hadoop FileSystem built from the Spark session
>>>>> configuration alone, while every other file operation in the action goes
>>>>> through table.io(). When a catalog reaches its storage with
>>>>> credentials other than the cluster's (e.g. a catalog that assumes a role 
>>>>> in
>>>>> another AWS account), reads and deletes succeed but the listing fails with
>>>>> AccessDenied or silently sees no files.
>>>>>
>>>>> Change
>>>>>
>>>>> - DeleteOrphanFilesSparkAction gets a new catalogName(String) method.
>>>>> When set, the listing uses the session Hadoop configuration plus that
>>>>> catalog's spark.sql.catalog.<name>.hadoop.* overrides
>>>>> (SparkUtil.hadoopConfCatalogOverrides). When not set, behavior is 
>>>>> unchanged.
>>>>> - RemoveOrphanFilesProcedure passes the catalog it was invoked on, so
>>>>> CALL <catalog>.system.remove_orphan_files(...) picks up that catalog's
>>>>> overrides with no new procedure argument.
>>>>> - spark-procedures.md documents which configuration the listing uses.
>>>>>
>>>>> The catalog is passed explicitly rather than inferred from
>>>>> Table.name(): as @yangshangqing95 pointed out in review, a table name's
>>>>> first segment isn't guaranteed to identify the Spark catalog it came from,
>>>>> and resolving it via CatalogManager can initialize unrelated catalogs as a
>>>>> side effect.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tests cover the procedure path across the test catalogs and the action
>>>>> API with both SparkCatalog and SparkSessionCatalog, using a marker
>>>>> FileSystem registered only in the catalog's hadoop.* overrides.
>>>>>
>>>>> Questions
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Is a catalogName(String) method on the action an acceptable public
>>>>> API addition, or would people prefer a different shape?
>>>>> 2. The PR was opened against Spark 4.1 before the 4.2 module landed.
>>>>> If the direction is agreed, I'll move the change to 4.2 and backport it to
>>>>> 4.1, 4.0 and 3.5.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Sebastian Daberdaku
>>>>>
>>>>

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