1. Actually you have to check versions on all the values you have read during the tx.
For example if we have [k1 => v1, k2 => v2] and do: put(k1, get(k2) + 5) We have to remember the version for k2. This logic can be relatively easily encapsulated in a framework atop of Ignite. You need to implement one to make all this stuff usable. 2. I suggest to avoid any locking here, because you easily will end up with deadlocks. If you do not have too frequent updates for your keys, optimistic approach will work just fine. Theoretically in the Committer Service you can start a thread for the lifetime of the whole distributed transaction, take a lock on the key using IgniteCache.lock(K key) before executing any Services, wait for all the services to complete, execute optimistic commit in the same thread while keeping this lock and then release it. Notice that all the Ignite transactions inside of all Services must be optimistic here to be able to read this locked key. But again I do not recommend you using this approach until you have a reliable deadlock avoidance scheme. Sergi 2017-03-16 12:53 GMT+03:00 ALEKSEY KUZNETSOV <alkuznetsov...@gmail.com>: > Yeah, now i got it. > There are some doubts on this approach > 1) During optimistic commit phase, when you assure no one altered the > original values, you must check versions of other dependent keys. How could > we obtain those keys(in an automative manner, of course) ? > 2) How could we lock a key before some Service A introduce changes? So no > other service is allowed to change this key-value?(sort of pessimistic > blocking) > May be you know some implementations of such approach ? > > ср, 15 мар. 2017 г. в 17:54, ALEKSEY KUZNETSOV <alkuznetsov...@gmail.com>: > > > Thank you very much for help. I will answer later. > > > > ср, 15 мар. 2017 г. в 17:39, Sergi Vladykin <sergi.vlady...@gmail.com>: > > > > All the services do not update key in place, but only generate new keys > > augmented by otx and store the updated value in the same cache + remember > > the keys and versions participating in the transaction in some separate > > atomic cache. > > > > Follow this sequence of changes applied to cache contents by each > Service: > > > > Initial cache contents: > > [k1 => v1] > > [k2 => v2] > > [k3 => v3] > > > > Cache contents after Service A: > > [k1 => v1] > > [k2 => v2] > > [k3 => v3] > > [k1x => v1a] > > [k2x => v2a] > > > > + [x => (k1 -> ver1, k2 -> ver2)] in some separate atomic cache > > > > Cache contents after Service B: > > [k1 => v1] > > [k2 => v2] > > [k3 => v3] > > [k1x => v1a] > > [k2x => v2ab] > > [k3x => v3b] > > > > + [x => (k1 -> ver1, k2 -> ver2, k3 -> ver3)] in some separate > > atomic cache > > > > Finally the Committer Service takes this map of updated keys and their > > versions from some separate atomic cache, starts Ignite transaction and > > replaces all the values for k* keys to values taken from k*x keys. The > > successful result must be the following: > > > > [k1 => v1a] > > [k2 => v2ab] > > [k3 => v3b] > > [k1x => v1a] > > [k2x => v2ab] > > [k3x => v3b] > > > > + [x => (k1 -> ver1, k2 -> ver2, k3 -> ver3)] in some separate > > atomic cache > > > > But Committer Service also has to check that no one updated the original > > values before us, because otherwise we can not give any serializability > > guarantee for these distributed transactions. Here we may need to check > not > > only versions of the updated keys, but also versions of any other keys > end > > result depends on. > > > > After that Committer Service has to do a cleanup (may be outside of the > > committing tx) to come to the following final state: > > > > [k1 => v1a] > > [k2 => v2ab] > > [k3 => v3b] > > > > Makes sense? > > > > Sergi > > > > > > 2017-03-15 16:54 GMT+03:00 ALEKSEY KUZNETSOV <alkuznetsov...@gmail.com>: > > > > > - what do u mean by saying " > > > *in a single transaction checks value versions for all the old values > > > and replaces them with calculated new ones *"? Every time you > change > > > value(in some service), you store it to *some special atomic cache* > , > > so > > > when all services ceased working, Service commiter got a values with > > the > > > last versions. > > > - After "*does cleanup of temporary keys and values*" Service > commiter > > > persists them into permanent store, isn't it ? > > > - I cant grasp your though, you say "*in case of version mismatch or > > TX > > > timeout just rollbacks*". But what versions would it match? > > > > > > > > > ср, 15 мар. 2017 г. в 15:34, Sergi Vladykin <sergi.vlady...@gmail.com > >: > > > > > > > Ok, here is what you actually need to implement at the application > > level. > > > > > > > > Lets say we have to call 2 services in the following order: > > > > - Service A: wants to update keys [k1 => v1, k2 => v2] to [k1 => > > > v1a, > > > > k2 => v2a] > > > > - Service B: wants to update keys [k2 => v2a, k3 => v3] to [k2 => > > > v2ab, > > > > k3 => v3b] > > > > > > > > The change > > > > from [ k1 => v1, k2 => v2, k3 => v3 ] > > > > to [ k1 => v1a, k2 => v2ab, k3 => v3b ] > > > > must happen in a single transaction. > > > > > > > > > > > > Optimistic protocol to solve this: > > > > > > > > Each cache key must have a field `otx`, which is a unique > orchestrator > > TX > > > > identifier - it must be a parameter passed to all the services. If > > `otx` > > > is > > > > set to some value it means that it is an intermediate key and is > > visible > > > > only inside of some transaction, for the finalized key `otx` must be > > > null - > > > > it means the key is committed and visible for everyone. > > > > > > > > Each cache value must have a field `ver` which is a version of that > > > value. > > > > > > > > For both fields (`otx` and `ver`) the safest way is to use UUID. > > > > > > > > Workflow is the following: > > > > > > > > Orchestrator starts the distributed transaction with `otx` = x and > > passes > > > > this parameter to all the services. > > > > > > > > Service A: > > > > - does some computations > > > > - stores [k1x => v1a, k2x => v2a] with TTL = Za > > > > where > > > > Za - left time from max Orchestrator TX duration after > > Service > > > A > > > > end > > > > k1x, k2x - new temporary keys with field `otx` = x > > > > v2a has updated version `ver` > > > > - returns a set of updated keys and all the old versions to the > > > > orchestrator > > > > or just stores it in some special atomic cache like > > > > [x => (k1 -> ver1, k2 -> ver2)] TTL = Za > > > > > > > > Service B: > > > > - retrieves the updated value k2x => v2a because it knows `otx` = x > > > > - does computations > > > > - stores [k2x => v2ab, k3x => v3b] TTL = Zb > > > > - updates the set of updated keys like [x => (k1 -> ver1, k2 -> > ver2, > > k3 > > > > -> ver3)] TTL = Zb > > > > > > > > Service Committer (may be embedded into Orchestrator): > > > > - takes all the updated keys and versions for `otx` = x > > > > [x => (k1 -> ver1, k2 -> ver2, k3 -> ver3)] > > > > - in a single transaction checks value versions for all the old > values > > > > and replaces them with calculated new ones > > > > - does cleanup of temporary keys and values > > > > - in case of version mismatch or TX timeout just rollbacks and > signals > > > > to Orchestrator to restart the job with new `otx` > > > > > > > > PROFIT!! > > > > > > > > This approach even allows you to run independent parts of the graph > in > > > > parallel (with TX transfer you will always run only one at a time). > > Also > > > it > > > > does not require inventing any special fault tolerance technics > because > > > > Ignite caches are already fault tolerant and all the intermediate > > results > > > > are virtually invisible and stored with TTL, thus in case of any > crash > > > you > > > > will not have inconsistent state or garbage. > > > > > > > > Sergi > > > > > > > > > > > > 2017-03-15 11:42 GMT+03:00 ALEKSEY KUZNETSOV < > alkuznetsov...@gmail.com > > >: > > > > > > > > > Okay, we are open for proposals on business task. I mean, we can > make > > > use > > > > > of some other thing, not distributed transaction. Not transaction > > yet. > > > > > > > > > > ср, 15 мар. 2017 г. в 11:24, Vladimir Ozerov <voze...@gridgain.com > >: > > > > > > > > > > > IMO the use case makes sense. However, as Sergi already > mentioned, > > > the > > > > > > problem is far more complex, than simply passing TX state over a > > > wire. > > > > > Most > > > > > > probably a kind of coordinator will be required still to manage > all > > > > kinds > > > > > > of failures. This task should be started with clean design > proposal > > > > > > explaining how we handle all these concurrent events. And only > > then, > > > > when > > > > > > we understand all implications, we should move to development > > stage. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 10:38 AM, ALEKSEY KUZNETSOV < > > > > > > alkuznetsov...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ср, 15 мар. 2017 г. в 10:35, Sergi Vladykin < > > > > sergi.vlady...@gmail.com > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good! Basically your orchestrator just takes some predefined > > > graph > > > > of > > > > > > > > distributed services to be invoked, calls them by some kind > of > > > RPC > > > > > and > > > > > > > > passes the needed parameters between them, right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sergi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2017-03-14 22:46 GMT+03:00 ALEKSEY KUZNETSOV < > > > > > alkuznetsov...@gmail.com > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > orchestrator is a custom thing. He is responsible for > > managing > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > scenarios flows. Many nodes are involved in scenarios. They > > > > > exchange > > > > > > > data > > > > > > > > > and folow one another. If you acquinted with BPMN > framework, > > so > > > > > > > > > orchestrator is like bpmn engine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 14 Мар 2017 г., 18:56 Sergi Vladykin < > > > > sergi.vlady...@gmail.com > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is Orchestrator for you? Is it a thing from > Microsoft > > or > > > > > your > > > > > > > > custom > > > > > > > > > > in-house software? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sergi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2017-03-14 18:00 GMT+03:00 ALEKSEY KUZNETSOV < > > > > > > > alkuznetsov...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fine. Let's say we've got multiple servers which > fulfills > > > > > custom > > > > > > > > logic. > > > > > > > > > > > This servers compound oriented graph (BPMN process) > which > > > > > > > controlled > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > Orchestrator. > > > > > > > > > > > For instance, *server1 *creates *variable A *with > value > > 1, > > > > > > > persists > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > IGNITE cache and creates *variable B *and sends it to* > > > > server2. > > > > > > > *The > > > > > > > > > > > latests receives *variable B*, do some logic with it > and > > > > stores > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > IGNITE. > > > > > > > > > > > All the work made by both servers must be fulfilled in > > > *one* > > > > > > > > > transaction. > > > > > > > > > > > Because we need all information done, or > > > nothing(rollbacked). > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > scenario > > > > > > > > > > > is managed by orchestrator. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 14 мар. 2017 г. в 17:31, Sergi Vladykin < > > > > > > > > sergi.vlady...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, it is not a business case, it is your wrong > > solution > > > > for > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets try again, what is the business case? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sergi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2017-03-14 16:42 GMT+03:00 ALEKSEY KUZNETSOV < > > > > > > > > > alkuznetsov...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The case is the following, One starts transaction > in > > > one > > > > > > node, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > commit > > > > > > > > > > > > > this transaction in another jvm node(or rollback it > > > > > > remotely). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 14 мар. 2017 г. в 16:30, Sergi Vladykin < > > > > > > > > > > sergi.vlady...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because even if you make it work for some > > simplistic > > > > > > > scenario, > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > ready > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > write many fault tolerance tests and make sure > that > > > you > > > > > TXs > > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > > > > > gracefully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in all modes in case of crashes. Also make sure > > that > > > we > > > > > do > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > performance drops after all your changes in > > existing > > > > > > > > benchmarks. > > > > > > > > > > All > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't believe these conditions will be met and > > your > > > > > > > > > contribution > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > accepted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Better solution to what problem? Sending TX to > > > another > > > > > > node? > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > statement itself is already wrong. What business > > case > > > > you > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > trying > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > solve? I'm sure everything you need can be done > in > > a > > > > much > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > simple > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > efficient way at the application level. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sergi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2017-03-14 16:03 GMT+03:00 ALEKSEY KUZNETSOV < > > > > > > > > > > > alkuznetsov...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why wrong ? You know the better solution? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 14 мар. 2017 г. в 15:46, Sergi Vladykin < > > > > > > > > > > > > sergi.vlady...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just serializing TX object and deserializing > it > > > on > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > node > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meaningless, because other nodes > participating > > in > > > > the > > > > > > TX > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the new coordinator. This will require > protocol > > > > > > changes, > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > definitely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have fault tolerance and performance issues. > > IMO > > > > the > > > > > > > whole > > > > > > > > > idea > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and it makes no sense to waste time on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sergi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2017-03-14 10:57 GMT+03:00 ALEKSEY KUZNETSOV > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > alkuznetsov...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IgniteTransactionState implememntation > > contains > > > > > > > > > > IgniteTxEntry's > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supposed to be transferable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пн, 13 мар. 2017 г. в 19:32, Dmitriy > > Setrakyan > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrak...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It sounds a little scary to me that we > are > > > > > passing > > > > > > > > > > > transaction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > objects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around. Such object may contain all sorts > > of > > > > > Ignite > > > > > > > > > > context. > > > > > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > data > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > needs to be passed across, we should > > create a > > > > > > special > > > > > > > > > > > transfer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > object > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 9:10 AM, ALEKSEY > > > > > KUZNETSOV > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alkuznetsov...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, there a couple of issues > preventing > > > > > > > transaction > > > > > > > > > > > > > proceeding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At first, After transaction > serialization > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > deserialization > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > server, there is no txState. So im > going > > to > > > > put > > > > > > it > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > writeExternal()\readExternal() > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The last one is Deserialized > transaction > > > > lacks > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > shared > > > > > > > > > > > > cache > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > context > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > field at TransactionProxyImpl. Perhaps, > > it > > > > must > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > injected > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > GridResourceProcessor ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пн, 13 мар. 2017 г. в 17:27, ALEKSEY > > > > KUZNETSOV > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alkuznetsov...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while starting and continuing > > transaction > > > > in > > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > > jvms > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > run > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > serialization exception in > > > > writeExternalMeta > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @Override public void > > > > > > writeExternal(ObjectOutput > > > > > > > > out) > > > > > > > > > > > > throws > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IOException > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > { > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > writeExternalMeta(out); > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some meta is cannot be serialized. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 10 мар. 2017 г. в 17:25, Alexey > > > > > Goncharuk < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alexey.goncha...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aleksey, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think I am starting to get what you > > > want, > > > > > > but I > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerns: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - What is the API for the proposed > > > change? > > > > > In > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > test, > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pass > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instance of transaction created on > > > > ignite(0) > > > > > to > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > ignite > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignite(1). This is obviously not > > possible > > > > in > > > > > a > > > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > distributed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (multi-jvm) environment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - How will you synchronize cache > update > > > > > actions > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > transaction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commit? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Say, you have one node that decided > to > > > > > commit, > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > node > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > writing within this transaction. How > do > > > you > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > sure > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nodes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not call commit() and rollback() > > > > > > simultaneously? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - How do you make sure that either > > > > commit() > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > rollback() > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > originator failed? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2017-03-10 15:38 GMT+03:00 Дмитрий > > Рябов > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > somefire...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alexey Goncharuk, heh, my initial > > > > > > understanding > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > transferring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ownership from one node to another > > will > > > > be > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > originating node is gone down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2017-03-10 15:36 GMT+03:00 ALEKSEY > > > > > KUZNETSOV > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alkuznetsov...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Im aiming to span transaction on > > > > multiple > > > > > > > > > threads, > > > > > > > > > > > > nodes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jvms(soon). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > every node is able to rollback, > or > > > > commit > > > > > > > > common > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > transaction.It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > turned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > up i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need to transfer tx between nodes > > in > > > > > order > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > commit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > transaction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > different node(in the same jvm). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 10 мар. 2017 г. в 15:20, > Alexey > > > > > > > Goncharuk < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alexey.goncha...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aleksey, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you mean that you want a > > concept > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > transferring > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > tx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ownership > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one node to another? My initial > > > > > > > understanding > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to update keys in a transaction > > > from > > > > > > > multiple > > > > > > > > > > > threads > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > parallel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --AG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2017-03-10 15:01 GMT+03:00 > > ALEKSEY > > > > > > > KUZNETSOV > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alkuznetsov...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well. Consider transaction > > > started > > > > in > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > node, > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > continued > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The following test describes > my > > > > idea: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignite ignite1 = ignite(0); > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IgniteTransactions > > transactions = > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignite1.transactions(); > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IgniteCache<String, Integer> > > > cache > > > > = > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignite1.getOrCreateCache(" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > testCache"); > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Transaction tx = > > > > > transactions.txStart( > > > > > > > > > > > concurrency, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation); > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cache.put("key1", 1); > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cache.put("key2", 2); > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tx.stop(); > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IgniteInternalFuture<Boolean> > > > fut = > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > GridTestUtils.runAsync(() > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > { > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IgniteTransactions ts = > > > > > > > > > > > > ignite(1).transactions(); > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Assert.assertNull(ts.tx()); > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Assert.assertEquals( > > > > > > > > > > > TransactionState.STOPPED, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tx.state()); > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ts.txStart(tx); > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Assert.assertEquals(TransactionState.ACTIVE, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tx.state()); > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cache.put("key3", 3); > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Assert.assertTrue(cache.remove("key2")); > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tx.commit(); > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > return true; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > }); > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fut.get(); > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Assert.assertEquals( > > > > > > > > > TransactionState.COMMITTED, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tx.state()); > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Assert.assertEquals((long)1, > > > > > > > > > > > > > (long)cache.get("key1")); > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Assert.assertEquals((long)3, > > > > > > > > > > > > > (long)cache.get("key3")); > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Assert.assertFalse(cache. > > > > > > > > > containsKey("key2")); > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In method *ts.txStart(...)* > we > > > just > > > > > > > rebind > > > > > > > > > *tx* > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thread: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > public void > txStart(Transaction > > > > tx) { > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TransactionProxyImpl > > > > > > > transactionProxy = > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (TransactionProxyImpl)tx; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cctx.tm().reopenTx( > > > > > > > > > transactionProxy.tx()); > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > transactionProxy. > > > > > > > bindToCurrentThread(); > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > } > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In method *reopenTx* we alter > > > > > > *threadMap* > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > binds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > transaction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to current thread. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do u think about it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 7 мар. 2017 г. в 22:38, > > Denis > > > > > > Magda < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dma...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Alexey, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please share the rational > > > behind > > > > > this > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thoughts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > design > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ideas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have in mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > — > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 7, 2017, at 3:19 > AM, > > > > > ALEKSEY > > > > > > > > > > > KUZNETSOV < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alkuznetsov...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all! Im designing > > > > distributed > > > > > > > > > > transaction > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > started > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > node, and continued at > > other > > > > one. > > > > > > Has > > > > > > > > > > anybody > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thoughts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Best Regards,* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Kuznetsov Aleksey* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Best Regards,* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Kuznetsov Aleksey* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Best Regards,* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Kuznetsov Aleksey* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Best Regards,* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Kuznetsov Aleksey* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Best Regards,* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Kuznetsov Aleksey* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Best Regards,* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Kuznetsov Aleksey* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Best Regards,* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Kuznetsov Aleksey* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Best Regards,* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Kuznetsov Aleksey* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Best Regards,* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Kuznetsov Aleksey* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Best Regards,* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Kuznetsov Aleksey* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Best Regards,* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Kuznetsov Aleksey* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > *Best Regards,* > > > > > > > > > > *Kuznetsov Aleksey* > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > *Best Regards,* > > > > > > *Kuznetsov Aleksey* > > > > > > > -- > > > > *Best Regards,* > > > > *Kuznetsov Aleksey* > > > -- > > *Best Regards,* > > *Kuznetsov Aleksey* >