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On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 8:56 AM, Ilya Lantukh <ilant...@gridgain.com> wrote:
> Unfortunately, I don't have permission to create page for IEP on wiki.
> Denis, can you grant it? My username is ilantukh.
>
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 8:04 PM, Anton Vinogradov <a...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > >> It is impossible to disable WAL only for certain partitions without
> > >> completely overhauling design of Ignite storage mechanism. Right now
> we
> > can
> > >> afford only to change WAL mode per cache group.
> >
> > Cache group rebalancing is a one cache rebalancing, and then this cache
> > ("cache group") can be presented as a set of virtual caches.
> > So, there is no issues for initial rebalancing.
> > Lets disable WAL on initial rebalancing.
> >
> > 2018-03-26 16:46 GMT+03:00 Ilya Lantukh <ilant...@gridgain.com>:
> >
> > > Dmitry,
> > > It is impossible to disable WAL only for certain partitions without
> > > completely overhauling design of Ignite storage mechanism. Right now we
> > can
> > > afford only to change WAL mode per cache group.
> > >
> > > The idea is to disable WAL when node doesn't have any partition in
> OWNING
> > > state, which means it doesn't have any consistent data and won't be
> able
> > to
> > > restore from WAL anyway. I don't see any potential use for WAL on such
> > > node, but we can keep a configurable parameter indicating can we
> > > automatically disable WAL in such case or not.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 10:40 PM, Dmitry Pavlov <dpavlov....@gmail.com
> >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Denis, as I understood, there is and idea to exclude only rebalanced
> > > > partition(s) data. All other data will go to the WAL.
> > > >
> > > > Ilya, please correct me if I'm wrong.
> > > >
> > > > пт, 23 мар. 2018 г. в 22:15, Denis Magda <dma...@apache.org>:
> > > >
> > > > > Ilya,
> > > > >
> > > > > That's a decent boost (5-20%) even having WAL enabled. Not sure
> that
> > we
> > > > > should stake on the WAL "off" mode here because if the whole
> cluster
> > > goes
> > > > > down, it's then the data consistency is questionable. As an
> > architect,
> > > I
> > > > > wouldn't disable WAL for the sake of rebalancing; it's too risky.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you agree, then let's create the IEP. This way it will be easier
> > to
> > > > > track this endeavor. BTW, are you already ready to release any
> > > > > optimizations in 2.5 that is being discussed in a separate thread?
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Denis
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 6:37 AM, Ilya Lantukh <
> ilant...@gridgain.com
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Denis,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > - Don't you want to aggregate the tickets under an IEP?
> > > > > > Yes, I think so.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > - Does it mean we're going to update our B+Tree implementation?
> > Any
> > > > > ideas
> > > > > > how risky it is?
> > > > > > One of tickets that I created (
> > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-7935) involves
> B+Tree
> > > > > > modification, but I am not planning to do it in the nearest
> future.
> > > It
> > > > > > shouldn't affect existing tree operations, only introduce new
> ones
> > > > > (putAll,
> > > > > > invokeAll, removeAll).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > - Any chance you had a prototype that shows performance
> > > optimizations
> > > > > the
> > > > > > approach you are suggesting to take?
> > > > > > I have a prototype for simplest improvements (
> > > > https://issues.apache.org/
> > > > > > jira/browse/IGNITE-8019 & https://issues.apache.org/
> > > > > > jira/browse/IGNITE-8018)
> > > > > > - together they increase throughput by 5-20%, depending on
> > > > configuration
> > > > > > and environment. Also, I've tested different WAL modes -
> switching
> > > from
> > > > > > LOG_ONLY to NONE gives over 100% boost - this is what I expect
> from
> > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8017.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 9:48 PM, Denis Magda <dma...@apache.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ilya,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That's outstanding research and summary. Thanks for spending
> your
> > > > time
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > this.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Not sure I have enough expertise to challenge your approach,
> but
> > it
> > > > > > sounds
> > > > > > > 100% reasonable to me. As side notes:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - Don't you want to aggregate the tickets under an IEP?
> > > > > > > - Does it mean we're going to update our B+Tree
> > implementation?
> > > > Any
> > > > > > > ideas how risky it is?
> > > > > > > - Any chance you had a prototype that shows performance
> > > > > optimizations
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > the approach you are suggesting to take?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 8:38 AM, Ilya Lantukh <
> > > ilant...@gridgain.com
> > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I've spent some time analyzing performance of rebalancing
> > > process.
> > > > > The
> > > > > > > > initial goal was to understand, what limits it's throughput,
> > > > because
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > significantly slower than network and storage device can
> > > > > theoretically
> > > > > > > > handle.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Turns out, our current implementation has a number of issues
> > > caused
> > > > > by
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > single fundamental problem.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > During rebalance data is sent in batches called
> > > > > > > > GridDhtPartitionSupplyMessages. Batch size is configurable,
> > > > default
> > > > > > > value
> > > > > > > > is 512KB, which could mean thousands of key-value pairs.
> > However,
> > > > we
> > > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > take any advantage over this fact and process each entry
> > > > > independently:
> > > > > > > > - checkpointReadLock is acquired multiple times for every
> > entry,
> > > > > > leading
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > unnecessary contention - this is clearly a bug;
> > > > > > > > - for each entry we write (and fsync, if configuration
> assumes
> > > it)
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > separate WAL record - so, if batch contains N entries, we
> might
> > > end
> > > > > up
> > > > > > > > doing N fsyncs;
> > > > > > > > - adding every entry into CacheDataStore also happens
> > completely
> > > > > > > > independently. It means, we will traverse and modify each
> index
> > > > tree
> > > > > N
> > > > > > > > times, we will allocate space in FreeList N times and we will
> > > have
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > additionally store in WAL O(N*log(N)) page delta records.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I've created a few tickets in JIRA with very different levels
> > of
> > > > > scale
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > complexity.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ways to reduce impact of independent processing:
> > > > > > > > - https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8019 -
> > > > aforementioned
> > > > > > > bug,
> > > > > > > > causing contention on checkpointReadLock;
> > > > > > > > - https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8018 -
> > > inefficiency
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > > GridCacheMapEntry implementation;
> > > > > > > > - https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8017 -
> > > > automatically
> > > > > > > > disable
> > > > > > > > WAL during preloading.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ways to solve problem on more global level:
> > > > > > > > - https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-7935 - a
> ticket
> > > to
> > > > > > > > introduce
> > > > > > > > batch modification;
> > > > > > > > - https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8020 -
> complete
> > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > rebalancing process for persistent caches, based on file
> > > transfer.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Everyone is welcome to criticize above ideas, suggest new
> ones
> > or
> > > > > > > > participate in implementation.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > > Ilya
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > Ilya
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best regards,
> > > Ilya
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Ilya
>
