> Yes, it can be done. However, I don't think that we will get an agreement on 
> that

Let’s give it a try and see what happens :)


> 2 дек. 2020 г., в 17:23, Вячеслав Коптилин <slava.kopti...@gmail.com> 
> написал(а):
> 
>> Can you start the vote?
> Yes, it can be done. However, I don't think that we will get an agreement
> on that (I just recall the previous discussion).
> And so, we will not remove the MVCC code; on the other hand, nobody will
> support it in the future. We already at this point. This is just my humble
> opinion.
> 
>> It's strange turning off here the whole MVCC tests just because something
> in the master branch was broken when in the second thread
> On one side, it looks weird, I agree. On the other hand, nobody cares about
> that and wants to fix tests. This is a stalemate, I think.
> 
> Thanks,
> S.
> 
> ср, 2 дек. 2020 г. в 16:47, Maxim Muzafarov <mmu...@apache.org>:
> 
>> Slava,
>> 
>> Can you start the vote?
>> 
>> It's strange turning off here the whole MVCC tests just because
>> something in the master branch was broken when in the second thread
>> Community decide to continue MVCC support. Let's start the vote and
>> see what happens.
>> 
>> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 16:39, Вячеслав Коптилин <slava.kopti...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> It will be even worse if our users will face NPE or things like that
>> in
>>> the basic MVCC scenarios just because we don’t tests it.
>>> The feature is not production-ready, and I don't think it is used at all.
>>> Moreover, MVCC Cache 7, 8, 8, MVCC PDS 1, 2, 4 are already broken
>>> (execution timeouts, flaky test, etc) and I haven't seen anyone who would
>>> like to fix this.
>>> Why should we waste every contributor's time? IMHO, MVCC suites are
>> useless
>>> and everyone just pushes "re-run possible blockers" button and doesn't
>> care
>>> about MVCC tests at all.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> S.
>>> 
>>> ср, 2 дек. 2020 г. в 16:01, Nikolay Izhikov <nizhi...@apache.org>:
>>> 
>>>>> I think test suites can be disabled even today
>>>> 
>>>> I’m -1 to disable tests without complete removal.
>>>> It will be even worse if our users will face NPE or things like that in
>>>> the basic MVCC scenarios just because we don’t tests it.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 2 дек. 2020 г., в 15:50, Вячеслав Коптилин <slava.kopti...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>>> написал(а):
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Nikolay,
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Why do we need feature in the project that not even tested
>> regularly?
>>>>> Fair enough. However, I am not an expert in this area (MVCC and
>> SQL), so
>>>> I
>>>>> cannot say how much effort it will take.
>>>>> I would say that the opinion of the rest of the community is needed
>> here.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anyway, I think test suites can be disabled even today, while the
>> fate of
>>>>> the MVCC feature can be (and should be) discussed separately.
>>>>> What do you think?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> S.
>>>>> 
>>>>> ср, 2 дек. 2020 г. в 15:38, Nikolay Izhikov <nizhi...@apache.org>:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello, Slava!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes, this topic comes to the top from time to time :)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> . I just want to save the time required for getting TCBot's visa
>> and TC
>>>>>> resources.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Why do we need feature in the project that not even tested
>> regularly?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 2 дек. 2020 г., в 15:36, Вячеслав Коптилин <
>> slava.kopti...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> написал(а):
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hello Nikolay,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> +1 to vote for complete MVCC removal.
>>>>>>> It has already been discussed here [1] and, unfortunately, I have
>> not
>>>>>> seen
>>>>>>> an agreement on that.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Mark-MVCC-with-IgniteExperimental-td45669.html
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> S.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ср, 2 дек. 2020 г. в 13:05, Nikolay Izhikov <nizhi...@apache.org>:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> +1 to vote for complete MVCC removal.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> MVCC is a great feature but we should implement it as a
>> first-class
>>>>>>>> feature and not «something that pretends to be working»
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 2 дек. 2020 г., в 12:53, Maxim Muzafarov <mmu...@apache.org>
>>>>>> написал(а):
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hello Slava,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I think we should vote for MVCC termination of support. If the
>> vote
>>>>>>>>> will be successful than remove it from the source code and
>> disable
>>>>>>>>> MVCC suites.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Only disabling tests from MVCC sounds not good.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 12:32, Вячеслав Коптилин <
>>>>>> slava.kopti...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Hello Igniters,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> It looks like there is no activity related to maintaining or
>>>>>> developing
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> MVCC feature.
>>>>>>>>>> So, I see no reason to waste TeamCity resources. I propose to
>>>> disable
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> corresponding test suites.
>>>>>>>>>> This has already been discussed here as well [1].
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Mark-MVCC-with-IgniteExperimental-td45669.html
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> S.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 

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