> -----Original Message-----
> From: Philippe Mouawad [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 16:47
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Proposal for some changes in Menus
> 
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 10:40 PM, Epp, Jeremiah W (Contractor)
> <[email protected]
>> wrote:
> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Philippe Mouawad [mailto:[email protected]]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 15:27
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Subject: Re: Proposal for some changes in Menus
>>>
>>> Either we spend time on fixing it but IMO it is not worth the investment.
>>>
>> Is the issue really that bad?
>>
> 
> No but I don't like "buggy features" :-)

I was thinking more about the actual bug that causes the deferred/partial 
update of the UI.  That is, are you sure it would be a major time sink that 
touches a lot of code?  Or could it be a relatively simple fix?  (I could see 
it going either way depending on how it's all set up, but I haven't looked at 
all.)
 
>> It's far better to have something janky that users might have a chance of
>> finding when they need it.
>>
> I think a bug in a feature does not help reputation of a product.

More than the apparent lack of the feature? ;)

>> Please, no, properties seriously suck.  They're about as opaque as you can
>> possibly get for configuring a GUI application.  They're basically a
>> non-mechanism from a user standpoint.
>>
> They will soon be fully documented.

How will that be exposed/communicated to users, though?  That's possibly even 
more important.

Most users have the mindset that nothing can change and they suffer through 
whatever the defaults are.  It's much worse when the option is all but 
invisible.

> But I agree properties are not optimal

I think the biggest issue they have is that you can't actually set them from 
within the application itself.  Even if it's an option that "(Requires 
Restart)", that's something people understand.

> Happy to know I am not the only user to face it.
> In the future, please report any issue you face don't live with it .

Yeah, I figured it was already known (or maybe fixed seeing as we're in the 3.0 
RC phase) and there was a lot of other stuff going on.  I'll try to get some 
time set aside for reporting a bunch of bugs, though.

>> It's just, burying things in properties is a sure way to ensure the
>> options never even get used at all.
>> 
> What do you think about my proposal to at least display a popup message to
> tell user to restart JMeter ?

Yeah, a warning that things might be weird until they restart would be a good 
call.

Regards,
Wyatt

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