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Gwen Shapira commented on KAFKA-1555:
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[~jjkoshy]:
* I did not make the suggested changes to ops.html since its not related to 
this JIRA and this line was not modified in this patch. (Actually, the line you 
refer to doesn't seem to exist in my copy of the docs...)

* "The above should probably be clarified a bit. i.e., availability of a 
replica affects whether a message will be lost or not only during the time it 
is yet to be replicated to all assigned replicas." 

I've re-phrased the sentence per Kyle's suggestion. Let me know if it works now.

> provide strong consistency with reasonable availability
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
>                 Key: KAFKA-1555
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-1555
>             Project: Kafka
>          Issue Type: Improvement
>          Components: controller
>    Affects Versions: 0.8.1.1
>            Reporter: Jiang Wu
>            Assignee: Gwen Shapira
>             Fix For: 0.8.2
>
>         Attachments: KAFKA-1555-DOCS.0.patch, KAFKA-1555-DOCS.1.patch, 
> KAFKA-1555-DOCS.2.patch, KAFKA-1555.0.patch, KAFKA-1555.1.patch, 
> KAFKA-1555.2.patch, KAFKA-1555.3.patch, KAFKA-1555.4.patch, 
> KAFKA-1555.5.patch, KAFKA-1555.5.patch, KAFKA-1555.6.patch, 
> KAFKA-1555.8.patch, KAFKA-1555.9.patch
>
>
> In a mission critical application, we expect a kafka cluster with 3 brokers 
> can satisfy two requirements:
> 1. When 1 broker is down, no message loss or service blocking happens.
> 2. In worse cases such as two brokers are down, service can be blocked, but 
> no message loss happens.
> We found that current kafka versoin (0.8.1.1) cannot achieve the requirements 
> due to its three behaviors:
> 1. when choosing a new leader from 2 followers in ISR, the one with less 
> messages may be chosen as the leader.
> 2. even when replica.lag.max.messages=0, a follower can stay in ISR when it 
> has less messages than the leader.
> 3. ISR can contains only 1 broker, therefore acknowledged messages may be 
> stored in only 1 broker.
> The following is an analytical proof. 
> We consider a cluster with 3 brokers and a topic with 3 replicas, and assume 
> that at the beginning, all 3 replicas, leader A, followers B and C, are in 
> sync, i.e., they have the same messages and are all in ISR.
> According to the value of request.required.acks (acks for short), there are 
> the following cases.
> 1. acks=0, 1, 3. Obviously these settings do not satisfy the requirement.
> 2. acks=2. Producer sends a message m. It's acknowledged by A and B. At this 
> time, although C hasn't received m, C is still in ISR. If A is killed, C can 
> be elected as the new leader, and consumers will miss m.
> 3. acks=-1. B and C restart and are removed from ISR. Producer sends a 
> message m to A, and receives an acknowledgement. Disk failure happens in A 
> before B and C replicate m. Message m is lost.
> In summary, any existing configuration cannot satisfy the requirements.



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