Agree. I don't know that it actually matters. They can keep using whatever they are using now since we don't plan on breaking the protocol.
But since the issue does keep coming up, I figured we'll need a clear message around what the removal means and what users need to do. Gwen On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 8:21 AM Ismael Juma <ism...@juma.me.uk> wrote: > It's worth emphasizing that the impact to such users is independent of > whether we remove the old high-level consumer in 2.0.0 or not. They are > unable to use the message format introduced in 0.11.0 or security features > today. > > Ismael > > On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Gwen Shapira <g...@confluent.io> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Personally, I suspect that those who absolutely need a rolling > migration > > > and cannot handle a short period of downtime while doing a migration > > > probably have in-house experts on Kafka who are familiar with the > issues > > > and willing to figure out a solution. The rest of the world can > generally > > > handle a short maintenance window. > > > > > > > I really wish that was true :) > > I know at least a few companies who are stuck with "no downtime" policy > and > > not enough expertise to do with kind of migration (which is really > > non-trivial). > > > > We can say "not our problem", but as we know, lack of good migration path > > really slows down adoption (Python 3.0, for instance). > > > > I'd love to at least get a feel of how many in the community will be > > impacted. > > > > Gwen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Ismael Juma <ism...@juma.me.uk> > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Gwen, > > > > > > > > A KIP has been proposed, but it is stalled: > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/KIP-125%3A+ > > > > ZookeeperConsumerConnector+to+KafkaConsumer+Migration+and+Rollback > > > > > > > > Unless the interested parties pick that up, we would drop support > > > without a > > > > rolling upgrade path. Users would be able to use the old consumers > from > > > > 1.1.x for a long time. The old Scala clients don't support the > message > > > > format introduced in 0.11.0, so the feature set is pretty much frozen > > and > > > > there's little benefit in upgrading. But there is a cost in keeping > > them > > > in > > > > the codebase. > > > > > > > > Ismael > > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 6:02 PM, Gwen Shapira <g...@confluent.io> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Last time we tried deprecating the Scala consumer, there were > > concerns > > > > > about a lack of upgrade path. There is no rolling upgrade, and > > > migrating > > > > > offsets is not trivial (and not documented). > > > > > > > > > > Did anything change in that regard? Or are we planning on dropping > > > > support > > > > > without an upgrade path? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 5:37 PM Guozhang Wang <wangg...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Ismael, the proposal looks good to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > A side note regarding: https://issues.apache.org/ > > > > jira/browse/KAFKA-5637, > > > > > > could we resolve this ticket sooner than later to make clear > about > > > the > > > > > code > > > > > > deprecation and support duration when moving from 1.0.x to 2.0.x? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guozhang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 3:44 AM, Ismael Juma <ism...@juma.me.uk> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Features for 2.0.0 will be known after 1.1.0 is released in > > > February > > > > > > 2018. > > > > > > > We are still doing the usual time-based release process[1]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am raising this well ahead of time because of the potential > > > impact > > > > of > > > > > > > removing the old Scala clients (particularly the old high-level > > > > > consumer) > > > > > > > and dropping support for Java 7. Hopefully users can then plan > > > > > > accordingly. > > > > > > > We would do these changes in trunk soon after 1.1.0 is released > > > > (around > > > > > > > February). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it makes sense to complete some of the work that was > not > > > > ready > > > > > in > > > > > > > time for 1.0.0 (Controller improvements and JBOD are two that > > come > > > to > > > > > > mind) > > > > > > > in 1.1.0 (January 2018) and combined with the desire to give > > > advance > > > > > > > notice, June 2018 was the logical choice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no plan to support a particular release for longer. > 1.x > > > > versus > > > > > > 2.x > > > > > > > is no different than 0.10.x versus 0.11.x from the perspective > of > > > > > > > supporting older releases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/Time+ > > > > > > > Based+Release+Plan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Jaikiran Pai < > > > > > jai.forums2...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Ismael, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are there any new features other than the language specific > > > changes > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > are being planned for 2.0.0? Also, when 2.x gets released, > will > > > the > > > > > 1.x > > > > > > > > series see continued bug fixes and releases in the community > or > > > is > > > > > the > > > > > > > plan > > > > > > > > to have one single main version that gets continuous updates > > and > > > > > > > releases? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, why June 2018? :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Jaikiran > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 09/11/17 3:14 PM, Ismael Juma wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi all, > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> I'm starting this discussion early because of the potential > > > > impact. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Kafka 1.0.0 was just released and the focus was on achieving > > the > > > > > > > original > > > > > > > >> project vision in terms of features provided while > maintaining > > > > > > > >> compatibility for the most part (i.e. we did not remove > > > deprecated > > > > > > > >> components like the Scala clients). > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> This was the right decision, in my opinion, but it's time to > > > start > > > > > > > >> thinking > > > > > > > >> about 2.0.0, which is an opportunity for us to remove major > > > > > deprecated > > > > > > > >> components and to benefit from Java 8 language enhancements > > (so > > > > that > > > > > > we > > > > > > > >> can > > > > > > > >> move faster). So, I propose the following for Kafka 2.0.0: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> 1. It should be released in June 2018 > > > > > > > >> 2. The Scala clients (Consumer, SimpleConsumer, Producer, > > > > > > SyncProducer) > > > > > > > >> will be removed > > > > > > > >> 3. Java 8 or higher will be required, i.e. support for Java > 7 > > > will > > > > > be > > > > > > > >> dropped. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Thoughts? > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Ismael > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > -- Guozhang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > *Jeff Widman* > > > jeffwidman.com <http://www.jeffwidman.com/> | 740-WIDMAN-J (943-6265) > > > <>< > > > > > >
