I've updated https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KARAF-201<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KARAF-201?focusedCommentId=13097085#comment-13097085> that we do not loose track of all ideas; others are also welcomed to add their ideas :-)
Kind regards, Andreas On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 11:43, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <[email protected]> wrote: > All ideas are welcome, the roadmap is here to be updated ;) > > Regards > JB > > > On 09/05/2011 11:35 AM, Andreas Pieber wrote: > >> It is, but it has also one disadvantage. The echo would print every time >> the >> feature is installed which is also during karaf startup at a customer. And >> I >> don't think that they would like to see this message each time. I think we >> also have to add a switch to do things in those feature-scripts based on >> the >> "surrounding". If they are installed via features.cfg or directly via the >> console. >> >> Kind regards, >> Andreas >> >> On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 11:23, Achim >> Nierbeck<bcanhome@googlemail.**com<[email protected]> >> >wrote: >> >> yeah like that idea, it's a big red bullet ;) >>> >>> Regards, Achim >>> >>> 2011/9/5 Jean-Baptiste Onofré<[email protected]>: >>> >>>> Unfortunately, for now, I don't see other way to "inform" the users. >>>> >>>> We have a new feature in the TODO list to handle this kind of situation: >>>> >>> the >>> >>>> feature trigger. The feature trigger allows us to call commands. In this >>>> case, you would call: >>>> >>>> echo "Be sure to install the ORM implementation before the spring-orm >>>> feature" >>>> >>>> But it's not yet available. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> JB >>>> >>>> On 09/05/2011 11:13 AM, Andreas Pieber wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm not convinced that ppl read faq sections, but this would be a good >>>>> location otherwise >>>>> >>>>> Kind regards Andreas >>>>> On Sep 5, 2011 11:09 AM, "Achim >>>>> Nierbeck"<bcanhome@googlemail.**com<[email protected]> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>>> Hi JB, >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not sure that just setting a "note" is sufficient, we should more >>>>>> "warn" about it, cause this will definitely >>>>>> pop up as "bug". So maybe it could be placed somewhere "prominent" :) >>>>>> >>>>>> regards, Achim >>>>>> >>>>>> 2011/9/5 Jean-Baptiste Onofré<[email protected]>: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Achim, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I added the spring-orm feature. We have to document that the users >>>>>>> >>>>>> have >>> >>>> >>>>> to >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> install the ORM implementation before the spring-orm feature. >>>>>>> In the same area, I also added a spring-struts feature. To avoid to >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> "force" >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> the Struts version, the users have to choose and install the Struts >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> bundle >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> before installing the spring-struts feature. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think that just a note in the Karaf user guide is enough. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> JB >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 09/05/2011 10:58 AM, Achim Nierbeck wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi JB, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm +1 for all of these, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> just a little reminder that we need to think about how to handle the >>>>>>>> Spring-ORM Bundle correctly. >>>>>>>> The issue with the spring-orm bundle is that it imports all kind of >>>>>>>> orm implementations like Hibernate, if those optional dependencies >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> are >>> >>>> installed after the ORM bundle those Packages can not be seen. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> regards, Achim >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2011/9/5 Freeman Fang<[email protected]>: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sounds good to me. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>> Freeman >>>>>>>>> On 2011-9-5, at 上午1:03, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I got your point but: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - for a general point of view, I still think that Karaf should >>>>>>>>>> provide >>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>> features for all Spring version, else, it means that we can't >>>>>>>>>> Sound >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> the >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> spring version used by the others applications like Camel or CXF >>>>>>>>>> - we should have named Karaf 2.3.0 in place of 2.2.3 to address >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> this >>> >>>> kind >>>>>>>>>> of major update. As reminder, we update to Spring 3.0.6 and add >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> spring-jms feature to be able to install/support CXF 2.5.0. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What we can do: >>>>>>>>>> - in Karaf 2.2.4, rollback to Spring 3.0.5 and so be sure that >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Camel >>> >>>> 2.8.x >>>>>>>>>> and CXF 2.4.x are supported. >>>>>>>>>> - create a Karaf 2.3.x branch (waiting for the 3.0.0), which is >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> exactly >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> like 2.2.x but including Spring 3.0.6.RELEASE (I have to talk with >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> Karaf >>>>>>>>>> team about that, and I put it in copy) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> WDYT ? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>> JB >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 09/04/2011 01:52 PM, Freeman Fang wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi JB, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> To be honest I'm a lit bit concern about this solution. >>>>>>>>>>> If Karaf 2.2.4 ship spring 3.0.6 anyway, even it cover all spring >>>>>>>>>>> related bundles, and camel can refer those spring features using >>>>>>>>>>> version >>>>>>>>>>> range(it might be ok during resolve, but don't forget cxf 2.4.2 >>>>>>>>>>> features.xml still have srping-jms(3.0.5) feature directly and >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> it's >>> >>>> >>>>> not >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> from karaf, :-)), however it still means the OSGi container >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> provided >>> >>>> spring version is 3.0.6, but the cxf(2.4.2) and camel(2.8.1) which >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> will >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> be running in this container are still with spring 3.0.5, it >>>>>>>>>>> MIGHT >>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>> ok >>>>>>>>>>> with spring 3.0.6 but we can't be that sure(as spring is a kind >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> fundamental libs for lots of other projects), right? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So I suggest either karaf 2.2.4 revert to spring 3.0.5(lit bit >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> weird >>> >>>> >>>>> to >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> me) or camel 2.8.1 should stay with karaf 2.2.2. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>> Freeman >>>>>>>>>>> On 2011-9-4, at 下午3:30, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Claus, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm going to work on Karaf Spring features today and tomorrow >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> test >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> it with Camel, CXF and ActiveMQ. >>>>>>>>>>>> The 2.2.4 could contain only this and one other issue (about >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> JMX). >>> >>>> >>>>> So >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> it could be ready by tomorrow evening, and we can cut off the >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> release >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> on Tuesday. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So I think that we could be inline for Camel 2.8.1. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Is it OK for you ? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>> JB >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 09/04/2011 09:24 AM, Claus Ibsen wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré< >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> [email protected]> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Achim and all, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I propose: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. to cover all Spring bundles in different Karaf spring >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> features >>> >>>> including >>>>>>>>>>>>>> spring-tx >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. release Karaf 2.2.4 soon with this change >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. update Camel features descriptor to use the Karaf spring-tx >>>>>>>>>>>>>> features (and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> eventually others, I have to check) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. release Camel 2.8.1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> How soon can Karaf 2.2.4 be released? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Would it speed up if the release was based on the 2.2.3 tags, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>> >>>> either did >>>>>>>>>>>>> - a) revert back to Spring 3.0.5 >>>>>>>>>>>>> - b) bullet #1 above from Jean >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> eg so there are no other changes and thus a confort in the >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> community >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> that Karaf 2.2.4 is a patch release with this single fix to >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ensure >>> >>>> using Karaf + Camel runs smoothly. As its to be used for the >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> next >>> >>>> >>>>> SMX >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> release as well. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> WDYT ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>> JB >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 09/03/2011 09:38 PM, Achim Nierbeck wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi JB, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm +1 on that one, often I was missing the spring-tx feature >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>> >>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first place :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regards, Achim >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 03.09.2011 18:54, schrieb Jean-Baptiste Onofré: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I checked the issue and the problem is about the spring-tx >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> bundle. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spring-tx bundle is not installed by a Karaf features, the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feature which install it is camel-jms (part of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> camel-spring). >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's why we have a bundle version mismatch between the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spring >>> >>>> bundles provides by Karaf spring* features, and the one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provided >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Camel features. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that it makes sense that Karaf provides all Spring* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> features, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convering all spring bundle, and Camel just "uses" it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm going to discuss with the team to see how we move. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 09/02/2011 10:50 PM, mgardiner wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have recently tried using Karaf 2.2.3 which has just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated >>> >>>> >>>>> to >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spring >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.0.6.RELEASE and we are now getting conflicts in camel-jms >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> 2.8.0 >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> two versions of spring are available. With a new camel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release >>> >>>> underway are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you considering upgrading camel to spring 3.0.6.RELEASE? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's the output >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Error executing command: Could not start bundle >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mvn:org.apache.camel/camel-**jms/2.8.0 in feature(s) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> camel-jms-2.8.0: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unable >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to resolve module org.apache.camel.camel-jms [88.0] because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>> >>>> >>>>> is >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exposed to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> package 'org.springframework.util' from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> org.springframework.core >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [82.0] and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.springframework.core [43.0] via two dependency chains. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chain 1: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.camel.camel-jms [88.0] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> import: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (&(package=org.**springframework.util)(version>** >>>>> =3.0.0)(!(version>=4.0.0))) >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> export: package=org.springframework.**util >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.springframework.core [82.0] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chain 2: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.camel.camel-jms [88.0] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> import: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (&(package=org.apache.camel.**impl)(version>=2.8.0)(!(** >>>>> version>=2.9.0))) >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> export: package=org.apache.camel.impl; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uses:=org.springframework.jmx.**export.annotation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.camel.camel-core [80.0] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> import: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> (&(package=org.**springframework.jmx.export.** >>> annotation)(version>=3.0.0)(!(**version>=4.0.0))) >>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> export: package=org.springframework.** >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jmx.export.annotation; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uses:=org.springframework.aop.**target >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.springframework.context [48.0] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> import: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> (&(package=org.**springframework.aop.target)(** >>> version>=3.0.6)(!(version>=3.**0.7))) >>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> export: package=org.springframework.**aop.target; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uses:=org.springframework.core >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.springframework.aop [47.0] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> import: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (&(package=org.**springframework.core)(version>** >>>>> =3.0.6)(!(version>=3.0.7))) >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> export: package=org.springframework.**core; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uses:=org.springframework.util >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> export: package=org.springframework.**util >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.springframework.core [43.0] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> View this message in context: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.**com/Karaf-2-2-3-and-Camel-2-8-** >>> 0-tp4763828p4763828.html<http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Karaf-2-2-3-and-Camel-2-8-0-tp4763828p4763828.html> >>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from the Camel - Users mailing list archive at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nabble.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net >>>>>>>>>>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------**--------------- >>>>>>>>>>> Freeman Fang >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> FuseSource >>>>>>>>>>> Email:[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> Web: fusesource.com >>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: freemanfang >>>>>>>>>>> Blog: >>>>>>>>>>> http://freemanfang.blogspot.**com<http://freemanfang.blogspot.com> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net >>>>>>>>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------**--------------- >>>>>>>>> Freeman Fang >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> FuseSource >>>>>>>>> Email:[email protected] >>>>>>>>> Web: fusesource.com >>>>>>>>> Twitter: freemanfang >>>>>>>>> Blog: >>>>>>>>> http://freemanfang.blogspot.**com<http://freemanfang.blogspot.com> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net >>>>>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> -- >>>>>> *Achim Nierbeck* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Apache Karaf<http://karaf.apache.org/**> Committer& PMC >>>>>> OPS4J Pax >>>>>> Web<http://wiki.ops4j.org/**display/paxweb/Pax+Web/<http://wiki.ops4j.org/display/paxweb/Pax+Web/> >>>>>> > >>>>>> Committer& Project Lead >>>>>> blog<http://notizblog.**nierbeck.de/ <http://notizblog.nierbeck.de/>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net >>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> *Achim Nierbeck* >>> >>> >>> Apache Karaf<http://karaf.apache.org/**> Committer& PMC >>> OPS4J Pax >>> Web<http://wiki.ops4j.org/**display/paxweb/Pax+Web/<http://wiki.ops4j.org/display/paxweb/Pax+Web/> >>> > >>> Committer& Project Lead >>> blog<http://notizblog.**nierbeck.de/ <http://notizblog.nierbeck.de/>> >>> >>> >> > -- > Jean-Baptiste Onofré > [email protected] > http://blog.nanthrax.net > Talend - http://www.talend.com >
