Hello +1 for separation.
Why? I started an experiment - Pax Web 10 can quite easily run on latest JakartaEE 10+ servers (Jetty 11, Tomcat 10, Undertow 2.3), because there's continued work on OSGi CMPN 8.1 - Karaf (and OSGi in general) became quite "conservative" project (in strict, good sense of what "conservatism" is - preservation of working, stable institutions, looking at incoming changes and absorbing them in evolutionary way). In this spirit, I imagine that some (considerable number of) people, enterprises use Karaf/OSGi and are happy with it. These groups react only when something is removed/deprecated/no longer supported. So if we were to slowly transition "Karaf on OSGi" to "Karaf/Minho on anything, with less emphasis on OSGi", we could have more and more voices that we should keep what's working. In other words - Minho is a good project where the underlying philosophy is less relevant (Spring, OSGi, ...), but I think it's better to keep Karaf as is - "application server running on OSGi kernel - Felix/Equinox". kind regards Grzegorz Grzybek wt., 29 lis 2022 o 07:14 fpapon <fpa...@apache.org> napisał(a): > Hi, > > The more we are moving forward, the move we are moving away from Karaf > so +1 to make a proposal for a new project. > > Regards, > > François > > On 28/11/2022 11:26, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote: > > Hi guys, > > > > In regards of the discussion we have around Karaf log, the different > > comments about Karaf vs Minho, clearly, we have two different visions > > and communities: > > - the Karaf community very likes Karaf as it is today (powered by > > OSGi) and not willing to move to something else > > - the Minho community would be "decoupled" from existing Karaf > > community, coming from other projects like spring boot, microprofile, > > etc > > > > So, it means that we would have two different communities in the Karaf > > "umbrella", which is not ideal, and actually it can cause branding > > issues. > > We can have the issue where Minho at Karaf will "block" some users and > > contributors because they will "couple" Minho to Karaf (which is not > > the case). > > > > So, IMHO, it would be cleaner to keep Karaf to what it is today (an > > OSGi runtime) and move Minho to its own project. > > > > I would call for a vote to remove Minho from Karaf and create a > > project proposal based on it (and a couple of additional features). > > > > Thoughts ? > > > > Regards > > JB > > -- > -- > FrançoisT > >
