My proposal is actually to simplify and align all KIE submodules on 10. The reasoning behind the proposal is that under Apache's perspective, there's a single project called KIE, and all other brands are only modules of it (Drools, SonataFlow, jBPM, Kogito, etc.).
Although there's nothing that would force the use of the same version among different modules, this is a way to simplify the communication around Apache KIE. In the same way, I think we could simplify and have only Jakarta 10 released under the Apache Foundation. On Mon, Oct 16, 2023 at 2:27 PM ricardo zanini fernandes <[email protected]> wrote: > > So 10.0.x for Drools and 3.0.x for Kogito/Kie? We have only the > 2.44.0.Alpha release for Kogito, thou. But 3.0.0 should send the right > message. > Also, we need to rename a few artifacts from kogito- to kie- and > kogito-serverless-workflow to sonataflow. Can we do it as a follow-up task > after this initial migration, and before release? > > Cheers! > -- > Ricardo Zanini Fernandes > Vida longa e próspera. > > > On Mon, Oct 16, 2023 at 1:08 PM Jason Porter <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > +1 for version 10. > > > > For LTS reasons and ease of use, do we want to go with version 10 > > everywhere and release everything with the same version? I know there's a > > BOM, and maybe that makes this moot. Thoughts? > > > > On 2023/10/16 14:35:12 Alex Porcelli wrote: > > > Thank you for the clarification of the implications to recycle 9.x, > > Mario! > > > > > > Given that situation, my personal preference, for better communication > > > sake, is to have a hard reset to 10.0 focused only on Jakarta 10. > > > > > > Maybe it's worth a new thread for sake of clarity? I can start it. > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 16, 2023 at 10:11 AM Mario Fusco <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Alex, > > > > > > > > The problem is not the use of LATEST (which is indeed deprecated and > > hopefully nobody uses it anymore), but the fact that releasing a > > 9.0.0.Final when the 9.44.0.Final will break maven implicit version numbers > > ordering and semantic versioning. > > > > > > > > Moreover this will be even more problematic and confusing for users, > > especially new ones. How do you choose the version of a dependency that you > > have to add for the first time into your project? Personally what I do is > > going to the Maven Central Repository Search website, doing a search for > > the dependency I need and bringing in the very latest version (unless there > > are very good reasons, like a known bug, not to do so). Now if I'd do this > > exercise with drools I'd always bring in 9.44 even if there are new > > versions available (but with a lower version number). > > > > > > > > If you really want a fresh start (and I could agree that it could be a > > good idea at this point) then we should skip the 9 at all ( like Windows > > did so it could not be THAT bad :) ) and release a 10.0.0.Final. > > > > > > > > Mario > > > > > > > > On 2023/10/16 13:29:11 Alex Porcelli wrote: > > > > > Mario, > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the 9.44 reference, I though we had somehow an Alpha > > release > > > > > and not a final one. > > > > > > > > > > With all pros and cons of the current situation (including the > > already > > > > > published 9.44) - I’d still prefer a hard reset around 9.0 focused on > > > > > Jakarta 10 only. > > > > > > > > > > In my opinion the hard reset on 9.0 with Jakarta 10 > > > > > outperforms the impact of the already existing 9.44 release. (It’s my > > > > > understanding that the impact is for users that would use -LATEST - > > which > > > > > is already considered a deprecated format anyway) > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 16, 2023 at 9:11 AM Mario Fusco <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > To me, it feels messy that we have a 8.45.0 release, followed by > > a 9.45 > > > > > > > release in our first Apache release, and immediately after put > > 8.x (1.x > > > > > > for > > > > > > > Kogito) in maintenance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we could step back and re-evaluate our strategy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not reset and focus only on Jakarta10 (and > > Quarkus/SpringBoot. 3.x) > > > > > > and > > > > > > > cut it as 9.0? (yes, I’m aware that we had in recent past a > > 9.44.Alpha). > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Alex, > > > > > > > > > > > > What you suggested makes sense and as I wrote I'm equally afraid > > that > > > > > > users may be confused around our versions numbering. Unfortunately > > I'm also > > > > > > afraid that you missed that we already put out a 9.44.0.Final > > version ( > > > > > > https://central.sonatype.com/artifact/org.drools/drools-engine ) > > that is > > > > > > the result of that automatic migration of version 8.44 to Quarkus > > 3 and > > > > > > Jakarta using that Openrewrite script. That's the reason why I > > think that > > > > > > there aren't many alternatives other than continuing from there. > > Can you > > > > > > think to any better solution? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Mario > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
