Alex, The images will eventually be consumed once we move to step 2 to bring the website to the KIE Sandbox.
Cheers! On Mon, Jan 6, 2025 at 12:55 PM Alex Porcelli <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you for the clarification, Ricardo. > > It absolutely makes sense to move the publication downstream. > > With that being said, I'm still concerned about the usage of the > images that won't be consumed downstream anymore (wondering if they > will be useful or maybe they should be deprecated). > > > On Mon, Jan 6, 2025 at 10:21 AM ricardo zanini fernandes > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hi all! > > > > Let me try to clarify some bits here to give more context. > > > > Currently, start.kubesmarts.org is a name/DNS owned by downstream, but > the > > process of publishing it, AFAIU, is *owned** by* *upstream*. That's the > > problem. Also, we will rebrand the website on the downstream fork to > follow > > the downstream look and feel (aka remove Dashboards, Serverless Decision, > > KIE logo, etc). > > > > *So the proposal is to remove this process from upstream but keep the > > packages where they are* so that we can either incorporate them under > > sandbox.kie.org or create a new one, maybe serverless.sandbox.kie.org. > We > > can have another thread to discuss that. > > > > Step 1: Remove any attachments from Apache KIE to start.kubesmarts.org > > Step 2: Migrate the current website under a new domain or use the current > > sandbox (maybe adding a new item named Serverless Workflows). > > > > I hope it's clear now. > > > > Cheers! > > > > On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 1:47 PM Alex Porcelli <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Agree with Jason about not issue on downstream; > > > > > > However I wonder if we need to continue having the images as part of > the > > > Apache KIE (incubating) releases, unless being used in practice by the > > > project itself. > > > > > > I also would like what’s the plan to integrate it to existing sandbox > or > > > alike as suggested by Fabrizio. > > > > > > - > > > Alex > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 12:05 PM Jason Porter <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I'm not sure what to do here. A downstream can do what they want, as > long > > > > as they're pointing back to the ASF site and the official upstream. > > > There's > > > > also some feedback at > > > > https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/downstream.html. There may > be > > > > others on cwiki, this was the first one that came up from Google. > > > > > > > > I don't really see this as a bad thing, as long as it follows the ASF > > > > guidelines. > > > > > > > > On 2024/12/28 22:23:45 Fabrizio Antonangeli wrote: > > > > > Below my answers: > > > > > > > > > > - What images are used by Kubesmarts? > > > > > Currently, start.kubesmarts.org uses upstream images, but from > the > > > old > > > > > quay.io/kie-tools: > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://quay.io/repository/kie-tools/serverless-logic-web-tools-base-builder-image > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://quay.io/repository/kie-tools/serverless-logic-web-tools-swf-builder-image > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://quay.io/repository/kie-tools/serverless-logic-web-tools-swf-dev-mode-image > > > > > > > > > > - https://quay.io/repository/kie-tools/dashbuilder-viewer-image > > > > > > > > > > For the proposed downstream process, Kubesmarts would publish it > own > > > > > downstream images to its own Quay repository > > > > > (https://quay.io/organization/kubesmarts) using downstream > sources. > > > > > > > > > > - What are the purpose of those images. I mean, are they useful > outside > > > > > kubesmart deployment scope? > > > > > Their primary scope is to create SonataFlow deployments on > OpenShift > > > > > from the webapp, but they are generic enough to be reused in a new > > > > > upstream website. > > > > > > > > > > - What are the differences between SonataFlow and the code hosted > by > > > > > kubesmart? > > > > > Currently Kubesmarts serves as the online sandbox for the > kie-tools > > > > > Serverless Logic Web Tools package (upstream). The deployments > created > > > > > by the webapp on OpenShift rely on SonataFlow. > > > > > > > > > > Fabrizio > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 2024-12-28 at 15:12 -0500, Alex Porcelli wrote: > > > > > > Thank you for the clarification. However my follow up question > are: > > > > > > > > > > > > - what exactly images are used by kubesmarts? > > > > > > - What are the purpose of those images - I mean, are they useful > > > > > > outside > > > > > > kubesmart deployment scope? > > > > > > - Trying also to understand the relationship of SonataFlow and > the > > > > > > kubsmarts…. what are the differences between SonataFlow and the > code > > > > > > hosted > > > > > > by kubesmart? > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 28, 2024 at 12:41 PM Fabrizio Antonangeli < > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Alex, > > > > > > > To summarize my proposal: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * No sources will be moved out of kie-tools. > > > > > > > * Currently, start.kubesmarts.org (a downstream DNS) is built > > > using > > > > > > > upstream sources and images. I propose changing this to use > > > > > > > downstream sources and images, while keeping it under > > > > > > > start.kubesmarts.org. > > > > > > > * For the upstream version of the Serverless Logic Web Tools > > > > > > > website, > > > > > > > we suggest either creating a dedicated upstream DNS or > > > > > > > incorporating > > > > > > > it within sandbox.kie.org. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me know if further details are needed. > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > Fabrizio > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2024-12-24 at 17:04 -0500, Alex Porcelli wrote: > > > > > > > > Fabrizio, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I’m sorry for being late here…. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately it is not clear to me what exactly you are > > > > > > > > expecting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kubesmart seems to be a downstream, and afaik, there is no > legal > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > trademark implications… so all good here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now… if you plan to move things out of Apache to Kubesmart, > this > > > > > > > > becomes > > > > > > > > more tricky… and this is actually not clear if this is your > > > > > > > > intention. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would be possible to you elaborate what exactly you want to > move? > > > > > > > > Something > > > > > > > > like: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dns - origin - destination > > > > > > > > whatever.org - org1 - org2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > artifact - repository - origin - destinatio > > > > > > > > containerA - kie-tools - Apache - Org2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > _____________ > > > > > > > > Alex Porcelli > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 8:07 AM Fabrizio Antonangeli < > > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Community, > > > > > > > > > I would like to propose a temporary adjustment regarding > the > > > > > > > > > publishing > > > > > > > > > and DNS management of the Serverless Logic Sandbox website. > > > > > > > > > BackgroundCurrently, the community-facing website ( > > > > > > > > > https://start.kubesmarts.org) > > > > > > > > > is using the 0.32.0 image version. However, the latest > upstream > > > > > > > > > image > > > > > > > > > tagged as 10.0.0 is only available in DockerHub under the > > > > > > > > > Apache > > > > > > > > > organization: > > > > > > > > > * Apache DockerHub: > apache/incubator-kie-serverless-logic-web- > > > > > > > > > tools- > > > > > > > > > swf-dev-mode [2] > > > > > > > > > * Old KIE Tools Quay: > > > > > > > > > kie-tools/serverless-logic-web-tools-swf-dev-mode-image > [3] > > > > > > > > > * Kubesmarts Quay: > kubesmarts/incubator-kie-serverless-logic- > > > > > > > > > web- > > > > > > > > > tools-swf-dev-mode [1] > > > > > > > > > Historically, before moving to Apache, Kubesmarts images > were > > > > > > > > > published > > > > > > > > > under the KIE Tools Quay, which now doesn’t have 10.0.0 > image > > > > > > > > > tags. > > > > > > > > > Since the current release process has changed, this > workflow no > > > > > > > > > longer > > > > > > > > > exists. > > > > > > > > > ProposalTo address the current issues and clarify > ownership, I > > > > > > > > > propose the > > > > > > > > > following steps: > > > > > > > > > 1. Migrate Publishing Procedure to Kubesmarts group > > > > > > > > > - Change the publishing process for the Kubesmarts > > > > > > > > > website > > > > > > > > > to use > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > downstream source and downstream images. This > aligns > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > internal needs and ensures we have control over > the > > > > > > > > > images > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > versions being used. > > > > > > > > > 2. Clarify DNS Ownership > > > > > > > > > - The community should manage its own DNS, and we > > > > > > > > > propose > > > > > > > > > taking > > > > > > > > > full > > > > > > > > > ownership of the Kubesmarts DNS. This approach > > > > > > > > > separates > > > > > > > > > Red Hat's > > > > > > > > > requirements from the community's work while > providing > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > structure for future contributions. > > > > > > > > > 3. Make a separate proposal for upstream DNS > > > > > > > > > - We can develop a separate proposal for the > upstream > > > > > > > > > DNS or > > > > > > > > > incorporate SLWT in the Sandbox using only > upstream > > > > > > > > > images > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please share your thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > kubesmarts/incubator-kie-serverless-logic-web-tools-swf- > > > > > > > > > dev- > > > > > > > > > mode > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://quay.io/repository/kubesmarts/incubator-kie-serverless-logic-web-tools-swf-dev-mode?tab=tags > > > > > > > > > [2] > apache/incubator-kie-serverless-logic-web-tools-swf-dev- > > > > > > > > > mode > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://hub.docker.com/r/apache/incubator-kie-serverless-logic-web-tools-swf-dev-mode/tags > > > > > > > > > [3] kie-tools/serverless-logic-web-tools-swf-dev-mode-image > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://quay.io/repository/kie-tools/serverless-logic-web-tools-swf-dev-mode-image?tab=tags > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > >
