What are the gaps identified in workflow rule node execution ? If they are simple enough either Mark or Alex can make simple PR as they are contributors and identified better the problem. (It seems it wont change the arch just node impl)
El lun, 3 mar 2025, 8:17, Toshiya Kobayashi <[email protected]> escribió: > Thanks guys, > > > 1 - Immediate Fix: Resolve the issue with the legacy API as initially > > identified. While deprecation of the old system is acceptable for > > stateful workflow scenarios, Drools users depend on it for rule > > orchestration. Implementing this fix would serve as a temporary > > solution with a limited lifespan. > > Alex, just to confirm, it means the following, right? : > > - Mark the legacy runtime as deprecated. > > - The legacy runtime will be removed as discussed in > https://lists.apache.org/thread/t3o842mbj03c57cg5yw3tmo25qf2br1t , but the > removal will wait for "2 - Long-Term Enhancement: Enhance the current > Business Rule Task to ensure seamless integration with the Rule Engine" to > be done. > > Regards, > Toshiya > > On Sat, Mar 1, 2025 at 12:01 AM Mark Proctor <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Fri, 28 Feb 2025 at 03:06, Alex Porcelli <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > As Toshiya has highlighted, not only does the legacy API fail for > > > traditional rule orchestration, but the new "Kogito way" also does not > > > provide the minimal functionality needed to orchestrate rules > > > properly. Unfortunately, the current Business Rule Task is almost > > > useless without the proper support of Drools data structures required > > > by RuleUnits. > > > > > > Consequently, the current state of the codebase leaves the broader > > > concept of rule orchestration unaddressed. This oversight presents a > > > significant challenge for Drools users transitioning to the 10 series, > > > potentially alienating a large user base. > > > > > > To address these issues, I propose the following steps: > > > > > > 1 - Immediate Fix: Resolve the issue with the legacy API as initially > > > identified. While deprecation of the old system is acceptable for > > > stateful workflow scenarios, Drools users depend on it for rule > > > orchestration. Implementing this fix would serve as a temporary > > > solution with a limited lifespan. > > > > > +1 > > > > > > > > 2 - Long-Term Enhancement: Enhance the current Business Rule Task to > > > ensure seamless integration with the Rule Engine. This involves > > > refining the interaction points surrounding the rule engine to provide > > > a robust and reliable orchestration mechanism. > > > > > +1 > > > > > > > > It's worth noting that while alternatives like manually orchestrated > > > Rule Units using Java code or pure DRL-based approaches exist, they do > > > not offer the intuitive graphical visualization of rule orchestration > > > that Drools historically provided. Maintaining this visual aspect is > > > crucial for user experience and system transparency. > > > > > +1 > > > > > > I agree, this is functionality that a lot of users liked, none of this > > should be too difficult to achieve. > > > > Regards > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > - > > > Alex > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 27, 2025 at 1:32 AM Toshiya Kobayashi > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I talked with Alex that the current KIE 10 supported approach "bpmn2 > > > > RuleSetNode with kogito-codegen + RuleUnit" doesn't cover all > migration > > > use > > > > cases of drools 7 ruleflow. > > > > > > > > So I'd like to confirm possible directions. > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > A) Create a small subset of bpmn parser and engine (apart from the > > kogito > > > > bpmn code base), which aims at only ruleflow (Start, End, Rule, > > Gateway). > > > > > > > > pros: Users can use the existing bpmn editor to author ruleflow > bpmn > > > > files. > > > > No need for a migration tool. > > > > > > > > cons: It will likely have some duplication with the kogito bpmn > code > > > base. > > > > > > > > B) Create a new feature to support ruleflow. e.g. only changing > > > > ruleflow-group with/without conditions. It may or may not be like .rf > > > file > > > > > > > > * Note: This option's pros and cons are ambiguous as the details > are > > > not > > > > yet defined > > > > > > > > pros: The implementation may be smaller than bpmn > > > > > > > > cons: Developing a migration tool would require some effort. (or no > > > > migration tool) > > > > Developing an authoring UI tool would require some effort. > (or > > no > > > > authoring tool) > > > > > > > > C) Just guide how to migrate ruleflow to drl and java code. > > > > > > > > pros: No additional development > > > > > > > > cons: Probably it's not possible to create a migration tool. It may > > > > require a large effort if a user has lots of ruleflows > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > Feel free to share your thoughts or preference. > > > > > > > > Personally, I like option C for the short-term and option A for the > > > > mid-term. > > > > > > > > This is not a proposal. I just want to know the preference in this > dev > > > list > > > > members and file a GH issue. Even if option A or B is preferred, I > (or > > > we) > > > > may not have time to work on that right now. But it would be useful > to > > > > guide community users with the direction. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Toshiya > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 28, 2025 at 2:41 PM Toshiya Kobayashi < > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Alex, > > > > > > > > > > In the recent posts in this thread, I see that you are confirming > the > > > > > steps to run a process with kogito codegen in KIE 10. You seem to > be > > > > > exploring a migration guidance for community users who want to use > a > > > > > ruleflow in KIE 10, correct? > > > > > > > > > > So it will be another option like the ones I posted, right? > > > > > > > > > > > A) Create a small subset of bpmn parser and engine (apart from > the > > > > > kogito bpmn code base), which aims at only ruleflow (Start, End, > > Rule, > > > > > Gateway). > > > > > > > > > > > > B) Create a new feature to support ruleflow. e.g. only changing > > > > > ruleflow-group with/without conditions. It may or may not be like > .rf > > > file > > > > > > > > > > > > C) Just guide how to migrate ruleflow to drl and java code. > > > > > > > > > > I may be missing a point. I just wanted to proceed with the > > discussion. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Toshiya > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2025 at 12:26 AM Alex Porcelli <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> I managed to figure out... for those that are also unsure how to > > start > > > > >> a process using Java API... here's (the bpmn file has an ID which > > > > >> value is "demo1"): > > > > >> > > > > >> import java.util.HashMap; > > > > >> import java.util.Map; > > > > >> import org.kie.kogito.Model; > > > > >> import jakarta.enterprise.context.ApplicationScoped; > > > > >> import jakarta.inject.Inject; > > > > >> import jakarta.inject.Named; > > > > >> import org.kie.kogito.process.Process; > > > > >> import org.kie.kogito.process.ProcessInstance; > > > > >> > > > > >> @ApplicationScoped > > > > >> public class MyCustomService { > > > > >> @Inject > > > > >> @Named("demo1") > > > > >> Process<? extends Model> myProcess; > > > > >> > > > > >> public String startMyProcess() { > > > > >> Model m = myProcess.createModel(); > > > > >> Map<String, Object> parameters = new HashMap<>(); > > > > >> parameters.put("name", "Alex"); > > > > >> m.fromMap(parameters); > > > > >> > > > > >> ProcessInstance<?> processInstance = > > > myProcess.createInstance(m); > > > > >> processInstance.start(); > > > > >> > > > > >> Model result = (Model) processInstance.variables(); > > > > >> > > > > >> return result.toMap().get("message").toString(); > > > > >> } > > > > >> } > > > > >> > > > > >> On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 3:30 PM Alex Porcelli <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Enrique, > > > > >> > > > > > >> > I'm not using any IDE, maven can't compile sources that have > > > > >> > references to classes defined in generated-sources. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > I might be missing something, I'd appreciate it if you could > > share a > > > > >> > project with such a config that I could compile with just maven > > cli. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 2:59 PM Enrique Gonzalez Martinez > > > > >> > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > The generated sources should be incorporated by your ide in > the > > > source > > > > >> > > paths like maven is doing. It works in eclipse at least. I > dont > > > know > > > > >> other > > > > >> > > ide. > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > El mar, 21 ene 2025, 20:56, Alex Porcelli <[email protected]> > > > > >> escribió: > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Enrique, > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > To code-gen process Apache KIE resources I need to execute > one > > > of > > > > >> the > > > > >> > > > following commands: mvn quarkus:build, mvn quarkus:dev, mvn > > > > >> package. > > > > >> > > > The generated sources are output to the > > target/generated-sources > > > > >> > > > directory. However, I’ve noticed that these generated > sources > > > are > > > > >> not > > > > >> > > > accessible from the src/main folder. This is making it > > > difficult to > > > > >> > > > integrate the generated code into the main project workflow. > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > Am I missing something? > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > - > > > > >> > > > Alex > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 12:57 PM Enrique Gonzalez Martinez > > > > >> > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > I don't see why. If you want to create a workflow. > > > > >> > > > > 1 define it > > > > >> > > > > 2 codegen > > > > >> > > > > 3 compile it > > > > >> > > > > 4 runtime > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > There is no cycle > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > El mar, 21 ene 2025, 18:54, Alex Porcelli < > [email protected] > > > > > > > >> escribió: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > If code-gen is required, don’t we have a chicken-egg > > > problem? > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > How users can use an API that will be generated in the > > > future? > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > - > > > > >> > > > > > Alex > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 12:47 PM Enrique Gonzalez > > Martinez < > > > > >> > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > The kie api is a library inside the runtimes project > and > > > the > > > > >> > > > > > implementation > > > > >> > > > > > > of the start is in jbpm-flow project. Related to the > > > process > > > > >> > > > definition > > > > >> > > > > > > requires codegen. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > El mar, 21 ene 2025, 18:15, Alex Porcelli < > > > [email protected]> > > > > >> > > > escribió: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thank you for the reference, Enrique. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > But how is this API supposed to work? I mean… it’s > > part > > > of > > > > >> the > > > > >> > > > codegen > > > > >> > > > > > > > (during build) that the Model class is generated for > > the > > > > >> current > > > > >> > > > > > project. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > - > > > > >> > > > > > > > Alex > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 10:06 AM Enrique Gonzalez > > > Martinez < > > > > >> > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > This is an example... Even if you are a listener > > this > > > > >> should be > > > > >> > > > the > > > > >> > > > > > > > > endpoint. For some reason internal api and exposed > > api > > > > >> became > > > > >> > > > > > > > > entangled at some point so even if you go low code > > if > > > you > > > > >> want > > > > >> > > > > > > > > persistence it should be like this. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > https://github.com/kiegroup/kogito-runtimes/blob/main/jbpm/jbpm-tests/src/test/java/org/jbpm/bpmn2/ActivityTest.java#L233-L234 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > El mar, 21 ene 2025 a las 10:10, Toshiya Kobayashi > > > > >> > > > > > > > > (<[email protected]>) escribió: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Hi Enrique, > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dont use kie session start workflow. Kie-api > > > should > > > > >> be used > > > > >> > > > > > > instead. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > My example is a plain java in-memory ruleflow > use > > > case > > > > >> (not a > > > > >> > > > > > > > persistent > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > process nor a kogito service). > > > ksession.startProcess() > > > > >> is the > > > > >> > > > only > > > > >> > > > > > > way > > > > >> > > > > > > > I > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > know to start a ruleflow. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Could you let me know the right method which you > > > > >> mentioned as > > > > >> > > > > > > "Kie-api > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > should be used instead" ? > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Toshiya > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 2:52 PM Enrique Gonzalez > > > > >> Martinez < > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dont use kie session start workflow. Kie-api > > > should > > > > >> be used > > > > >> > > > > > > instead. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > El mar, 21 ene 2025, 3:54, Toshiya Kobayashi < > > > > >> > > > > > > > > [email protected]> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > escribió: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > but my concern is that it feels that we > are > > > back > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > almost 20 years ago, just before we > > introduce > > > > >> RulesFlow. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, it's true. This is the most basic > > solution > > > and > > > > >> the > > > > >> > > > only > > > > >> > > > > > > > > supported > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > solution as of 10.0.0 + kjar. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > would it be possible to point an > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > example (or unit test) how to start a > > workflow > > > > >> using > > > > >> > > > plain > > > > >> > > > > > java > > > > >> > > > > > > > > api? > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > kSession.startProcess(processId) starts a > bpmn > > > > >> process. > > > > >> > > > It's > > > > >> > > > > > > > > supported in > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > 7.74.0.Final. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > https://github.com/tkobayas/kiegroup-examples/blob/master/Ex-ruleflow-migration/Ex-ruleflow-bpmn-7.74/src/main/java/com/sample/DroolsTest.java#L21 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > It also works in 10.0.0, but it depends on a > > > legacy > > > > >> runtime > > > > >> > > > > > which > > > > >> > > > > > > > > will be > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > removed as Enrique mentioned. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > https://github.com/tkobayas/kiegroup-examples/blob/master/Ex-ruleflow-10.0.0/src/main/java/com/sample/DroolsTest.java#L17 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > However, I guess Alex is asking for > something > > > > >> different... > > > > >> > > > > > Please > > > > >> > > > > > > > > let me > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > know the requirements in detail. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Toshiya > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 20, 2025 at 11:06 PM Alex > > Porcelli < > > > > >> > > > > > [email protected] > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Another somewhat related question: would > it > > be > > > > >> possible > > > > >> > > > to > > > > >> > > > > > > point > > > > >> > > > > > > > an > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > example (or unit test) how to start a > > workflow > > > > >> using > > > > >> > > > plain > > > > >> > > > > > java > > > > >> > > > > > > > > api? > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 20, 2025 at 8:53 AM Enrique > > > Gonzalez > > > > >> Martinez > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Given the current native implementation, > > it > > > is > > > > >> not > > > > >> > > > > > possible. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You would need to rework the rule node > in > > > > >> workflow > > > > >> > > > > > probably. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > El lun, 20 ene 2025, 14:50, Alex > Porcelli > > < > > > > >> > > > > > [email protected]> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > escribió: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Enrique, > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My question still.. How is it possible > > to > > > > >> load a > > > > >> > > > bunch of > > > > >> > > > > > > > data > > > > >> > > > > > > > > into > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drools and orchestrate multiple groups > > of > > > > >> rules > > > > >> > > > without > > > > >> > > > > > > > having > > > > >> > > > > > > > > to > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iterate over and over again on those > > > loads of > > > > >> data. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 11:49 AM > Enrique > > > > >> Gonzalez > > > > >> > > > > > Martinez > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Alex, > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only reason working memory > exists > > in > > > > >> BPMN is > > > > >> > > > to be > > > > >> > > > > > > used > > > > >> > > > > > > > > in > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conditional nodes which does not > make > > > much > > > > >> sense > > > > >> > > > IMO. > > > > >> > > > > > > (the > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > replacement > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for java conditional was already on > > the > > > way) > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This was dropped at some point in > > kogito > > > > >> (don't > > > > >> > > > know > > > > >> > > > > > the > > > > >> > > > > > > > > reasons > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > why) > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but makes sense as working memory > > access > > > > >> does not > > > > >> > > > make > > > > >> > > > > > > > sense > > > > >> > > > > > > > > from > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > workflow engine. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How to orchestrate something like > you > > > are > > > > >> > > > referring is > > > > >> > > > > > > more > > > > >> > > > > > > > > rule > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > engine > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > El jue, 16 ene 2025 a las 17:05, > Tibor > > > > >> Zimányi (< > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >) > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > escribió: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Alex, > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think the orchestration could be > > > done > > > > >> with rule > > > > >> > > > > > units > > > > >> > > > > > > > > instead > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > using a > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BPMN process to orchestrate the > rule > > > > >> execution. > > > > >> > > > > > However > > > > >> > > > > > > > > maybe I > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > missing > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some context about rule units and > I > > am > > > > >> wrong. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tibor > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dňa št 16. 1. 2025, 15:40 Alex > > > Porcelli < > > > > >> > > > > > > > > [email protected]> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > napísal(a): > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you Toshiya for the > > reference. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me step back ignoring kjar > and > > > > >> etc... and > > > > >> > > > ask: > > > > >> > > > > > > > could > > > > >> > > > > > > > > you > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > share > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > users can accomplish the same > with > > > the > > > > >> current > > > > >> > > > > > state > > > > >> > > > > > > of > > > > >> > > > > > > > > the > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > technology? > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Use case description: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a user, I need - using java > > api - > > > > >> add > > > > >> > > > thousands > > > > >> > > > > > > of > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > objects > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working memory and orchestrate 4 > > or > > > 5 > > > > >> different > > > > >> > > > > > > > ruleflow > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > and, > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at the end of the execution, > > access > > > the > > > > >> working > > > > >> > > > > > > memory > > > > >> > > > > > > > > and > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > iterate > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over the working memory content. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alex > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2025 at 4:32 AM > > > Toshiya > > > > >> > > > Kobayashi > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah, thanks, > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This one: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> https://lists.apache.org/thread/t3o842mbj03c57cg5yw3tmo25qf2br1t > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2025 at > 6:15 PM > > > > >> Enrique > > > > >> > > > Gonzalez > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Martinez < > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi toshiya > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Search in *this* list drop > > > legacy > > > > >> runtime > > > > >> > > > in > > > > >> > > > > > > > > workflow. It > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > proposal. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > El mié, 15 ene 2025, 9:47, > > > Toshiya > > > > >> > > > Kobayashi < > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > escribió: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, guys. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I searched > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/kogito-development > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but I > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find the discussion about > > > kjar. > > > > >> Anyway, > > > > >> > > > > > Kogito > > > > >> > > > > > > > > hasn't > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supported kjar > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the beginning, so it's a > > very > > > old > > > > >> story. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having said that, options > > > seem to > > > > >> be: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A) Create a small subset > of > > > bpmn > > > > >> parser > > > > >> > > > and > > > > >> > > > > > > > engine > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > (apart > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kogito > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bpmn code base), which > aims > > at > > > > >> only > > > > >> > > > ruleflow > > > > >> > > > > > > > > (Start, > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > End, > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rule, > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gateway). > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pros: Users can use the > > > > >> existing bpmn > > > > >> > > > > > editor > > > > >> > > > > > > to > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > author > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ruleflow > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bpmn > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > files. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No need for a > > > migration > > > > >> tool. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cons: It will likely > have > > > some > > > > >> > > > duplication > > > > >> > > > > > > with > > > > >> > > > > > > > > the > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > kogito > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bpmn > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > code > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > base. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B) Create a new feature to > > > support > > > > >> > > > ruleflow. > > > > >> > > > > > > e.g. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > only > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > changing > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ruleflow-group > with/without > > > > >> conditions. > > > > >> > > > It > > > > >> > > > > > may > > > > >> > > > > > > or > > > > >> > > > > > > > > may > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like .rf > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > file > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Note: This option's > pros > > > and > > > > >> cons are > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ambiguous as > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yet defined > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pros: The implementation > > > may be > > > > >> smaller > > > > >> > > > > > than > > > > >> > > > > > > > bpmn > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cons: Developing a > > migration > > > > >> tool would > > > > >> > > > > > > require > > > > >> > > > > > > > > some > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > effort. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (or no > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > migration tool) > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Developing an > > > authoring > > > > >> UI tool > > > > >> > > > would > > > > >> > > > > > > > > require > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effort. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (or no > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > authoring tool) > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > C) Just guide how to > migrate > > > > >> ruleflow to > > > > >> > > > drl > > > > >> > > > > > > and > > > > >> > > > > > > > > java > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > code. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pros: No additional > > > development > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cons: Probably it's not > > > > >> possible to > > > > >> > > > create > > > > >> > > > > > a > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > migration > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > tool. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > require a large effort if > a > > > user > > > > >> has > > > > >> > > > lots of > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ruleflows > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Toshiya > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 13, 2025 at > > > 6:13 PM > > > > >> Enrique > > > > >> > > > > > > Gonzalez > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Martinez < > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jason, > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the moment we dropped > > > > >> support for > > > > >> > > > legacy > > > > >> > > > > > > > > runtime > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > kjar > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not a > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supported > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scenario in workflow. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > El vie, 10 ene 2025, > > 17:24, > > > > >> Jason > > > > >> > > > Porter > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > escribió: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think however this > > ends > > > up > > > > >> being > > > > >> > > > > > decided > > > > >> > > > > > > by > > > > >> > > > > > > > > this > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > list, we > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > post a > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> conclusion/example/summary/something > > > > >> > > > to > > > > >> > > > > > the > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]> > > > list > > > > >> so anyone > > > > >> > > > > > > search > > > > >> > > > > > > > > that > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > list > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Somewhat related to > > that, > > > do > > > > >> we want > > > > >> > > > to > > > > >> > > > > > try > > > > >> > > > > > > > to > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > migrate > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Google Groups list to > > the > > > > >> users list > > > > >> > > > now > > > > >> > > > > > > that > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 10.0.0 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > released? > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jason Porter > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Software Engineer > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He/Him/His > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IBM > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Alex Porcelli < > > > > >> > > > [email protected] > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Friday, January > > 10, > > > > >> 2025 at > > > > >> > > > 01:41 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > [email protected] > > < > > > > >> > > > > > [email protected] > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [EXTERNAL] > Re: > > > > >> [DISCUSSION] > > > > >> > > > > > > ruleflow > > > > >> > > > > > > > > kjar > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > case > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, Toshiya, > for > > > > >> bringing > > > > >> > > > this up > > > > >> > > > > > to > > > > >> > > > > > > > ML. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For context, I’d like > to > > > > >> remember > > > > >> > > > that > > > > >> > > > > > > there > > > > >> > > > > > > > > are no > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Drools > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jBPM; > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are components of > Apache > > > KIE. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As of today, Apache > KIE > > 10 > > > > >> supports > > > > >> > > > kjar; > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Toshiya's > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > example > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > proves > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, this could > be > > > > >> considered a > > > > >> > > > > > bug, > > > > >> > > > > > > > not > > > > >> > > > > > > > > a > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > new > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > case. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Enrique, regarding > > parity > > > > >> between > > > > >> > > > > > runtimes, > > > > >> > > > > > > > > it’s > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > necessary to > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provide > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the same level of > > feature > > > > >> support > > > > >> > > > for all > > > > >> > > > > > > of > > > > >> > > > > > > > > them, > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rule > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > flow could be > narrowed. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I believe we > can’t > > > do is > > > > >> be > > > > >> > > > > > > > dysfunctional > > > > >> > > > > > > > > and > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > force > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > drops of > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > major > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features after a major > > > release > > > > >> > > > without a > > > > >> > > > > > > > proper > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > heads-up > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or an > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alternative > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > path. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alex > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 10, 2025 > at > > > > >> 12:10 AM > > > > >> > > > Enrique > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Gonzalez > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Martinez > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi toshiya > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kjar is not > supported > > in > > > > >> workflow > > > > >> > > > as > > > > >> > > > > > the > > > > >> > > > > > > > main > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > focus > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > codegen. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Supporting in memory > > > > >> compilation > > > > >> > > > would > > > > >> > > > > > > lead > > > > >> > > > > > > > > us to > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support two > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > different > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > runtimes and > > integration > > > > >> with > > > > >> > > > drools. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point it > might > > > be > > > > >> working > > > > >> > > > > > because > > > > >> > > > > > > > the > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > legacy > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > runtime is > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but any attempt to > > > support > > > > >> this in > > > > >> > > > > > kogito > > > > >> > > > > > > > > will > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pushed back > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > removing thr old > > runtime > > > > >> therefore > > > > >> > > > kjar > > > > >> > > > > > > > wont > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > work. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > There > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > several > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reasons for it. From > > how > > > > >> big the > > > > >> > > > effort > > > > >> > > > > > > > > would be > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > parity > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > runtimes. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So the answer is no. > > We > > > > >> should not. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > El vie, 10 ene 2025, > > > 4:20, > > > > >> Toshiya > > > > >> > > > > > > > Kobayashi > > > > >> > > > > > > > > < > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > escribió: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Drools 8, in > > > other > > > > >> words, > > > > >> > > > since > > > > >> > > > > > > > jBPM > > > > >> > > > > > > > > was > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > moved > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kogito, > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ruleflow (drl + > > bpmn) > > > > >> kjar use > > > > >> > > > case > > > > >> > > > > > has > > > > >> > > > > > > > > been > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > dropped, > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kogito > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't support > > kjar. > > > A > > > > >> user is > > > > >> > > > > > facing > > > > >> > > > > > > a > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > migration > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem ( > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > https://kie.zulipchat.com/#narrow/channel/232677-drools/topic/Errors.20when.20moving.20from.20last.20Drools.207.20release.20to.20drools.208 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ) > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The combinations > may > > > sound > > > > >> > > > confusing. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - drl + bpmn in > > kogito > > > > >> service is > > > > >> > > > > > > > > supported. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > (See > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > process-quarkus-example > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > >> incubator-kie-kogito-examples) > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - drl in kjar is > > > > >> supported (See > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > kie-maven-plugin > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > incubator-kie-drools) > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - drl + bpmn in > kjar > > > is > > > > >> the > > > > >> > > > topic of > > > > >> > > > > > > this > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > thread > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I created an > example > > > with > > > > >> KIE > > > > >> > > > 10.0.0 > > > > >> > > > > > + > > > > >> > > > > > > > drl > > > > >> > > > > > > > > + > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > bpmn + > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kjar. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > https://github.com/tkobayas/kiegroup-examples/tree/master/Ex-ruleflow-10.0.0 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Adding > > > > >> org.kie.kogito:jbpm-bpmn2 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > dependency) > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ``` > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mvn clean install > > > > >> -DskipTests > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mvn test > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ``` > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to work > > fine > > > so > > > > >> far. > > > > >> > > > (It has > > > > >> > > > > > > an > > > > >> > > > > > > > > issue > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "import" > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > handling, > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I worked around it > > > using > > > > >> FQCN. > > > > >> > > > It's > > > > >> > > > > > > > another > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > story...) > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having said that, > > > shall we > > > > >> > > > revitalize > > > > >> > > > > > > the > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ruleflow > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kjar use > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > case? > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think of these > > > points: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Confirm the > > > supported > > > > >> scope : > > > > >> > > > No > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > persistence. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Limited > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nodes > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Start, > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > End, > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rule, Gateway?) > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Consult jbpm > > > developers > > > > >> > > > because > > > > >> > > > > > the > > > > >> > > > > > > > new > > > > >> > > > > > > > > jbpm > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > targeted > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kogito service use > > > cases > > > > >> (= > > > > >> > > > requires > > > > >> > > > > > > > > quarkus or > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > springboot, > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > depends > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > codegen. Am I > > > correct?). > > > > >> Any > > > > >> > > > caveats > > > > >> > > > > > to > > > > >> > > > > > > > > support > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > kjar? > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Create test > cases > > > in > > > > >> > > > > > > kogito-runtimes? > > > > >> > >
