Andreas Hartmann wrote:
Bob Harner wrote:
[...]
Regarding the "IMO Lenya is not a product that you just use" comment:
I think that this is true, but it is a very unpleasant surprise for
many Lenya newbies and is contrary to the impression conveyed by a
casual reading of the lenya.apache.org web site.
I strongly support Andreas in his goal of reducing the complexity to a
clean API, but as SolProvider points out, most Lenya newbies are now
users, not developers. (And even "developers" are probably operating
as "users" most of the time, except in the area of the functionality
they are customizing.) So if most Lenya newbies are "users", and
Lenya is a product that you can't just "use" even though the web site
implies otherwise, are we intentionally misleading people or what?
IMO yes (though I wouldn't imply that it is intentionally :) ).
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<quote>
Apache Lenya is an Open Source Java/XML Content Management System
</quote>
should be changed to "Content Management Framework".
<rant>
noooooo. don't go down this path. it's a terrible disease among apache
projects. frameworks upon frameworks upon frameworks. i was so glad to
see somebody finally speak up and announce a *actually usable product*
under the hood of apache, don't tell me it was all a mirage.
there is so much fscking "potential" on *.apache.org. can somebody
please reap it up and actually do something with that, instead of just
piling layer upon layer of abstract bloat and arcane dependencies?
<rant>
that's why i hate java. clean little language, and then people start
piling apis on it like there's no tomorrow. gimme back those days
where i could just printf something and it would do that without
passing a string through 25 million stack layers. just look at the
stack traces that lenya coughs up and you know something is going
terribly wrong here.
</rant>
</rant>
whew. now it's out and i feel better. ;-D
some emotions take nested rants to vent.
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