David Crossley wrote:
Sorry for popping in to Lenya dev@ out-of-the-blue.
I don't read the lists. This month's board report drew
my attention. I see some misunderstandings about the
role of the Chair. I will try to help to clarify.
Michael Wechner wrote:
Thorsten Scherler wrote:
Michael Wechner escribi??:
Thorsten Scherler wrote:
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- Re the PMC chair: What means "the chair has the power to establish rules
and procedures"? Isn't that the role of the PMC itself?! And what means
"including of the PMC itself"? Hmm?
The PMC is "is tasked with the creation of a set of
bylaws intended to encourage open development and
increased participation".
http://lenya.apache.org/resolution.html
However the above quote is also correct. It is ultimately
the chair's responsibility.
The position of the chair is clearly defined in these
top-level documents. Specifically it is in the ASF Bylaws
and you cannot go against that.
See http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#pmc
Be sure to follow all of the links. Specifically the
ASF Bylaws link and the two email links in paragraph #4
where Dirk and Greg clearly explain the exact issues that
Michi is raising. There is no point me try to paraphrase
or quote from them.
well, I am happy to aceept that, but I think it's not good at all, because
I think the PMC chair has too much conflicts of interests ...
It sounds like people here have not understood those documents.
I guess people didn't read those documents (myself included) ...
The chair is the ASF officer in charge (like a chairman of a board of a
company). She has the last word and can overrule the pmc.
I am -1 on this. What would be agreeable to me is that if the PMC is
undecisive which means for instance 3 versus 3 then the PMC chair can decide.
Please see
http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#pmc for more detailed
explanation.
- I think the Quartely reports need to be approved by the PMC before
sending to the board
Yes I think this is a good idea, but why didn't you raised before.
I raised it several times on the PMC mailing list
The quarterly report is only between the chair and the
board. The PMC don't need to "approve" it.
See paragraph #3 at http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair
but I think it should be approved by the PMC (see our bad at Lenya
re wrong statements ...) and maybe the ASF wants to consider that this
would be a good thing and I think it actually would help the PMC chair
for his/her
own good.
Now it will have to wait till after the vote
- Electing PMC members: I think the general rule should be that
committers are not PMC members from the very beginning when they become
committers.
You can raise this later.
I also raised this several times in discussion before
Each PMC needs to decide how they do this. Some have
Committers == PMC members, others don't.
I think committers should become PMC members in the "long" run, but
shouldn't
be PMC members by default
- Voting: Conensus means to me that everyone agrees or do I
misunderstand consesus?
No, if you really mean *everyone* (like in all active committer have to
vote), that is "Unanimous consensus".
- Voting: Why the term lazy majority and not just majority?
This points out that not all pmc member have to vote.
- Veto: why does the pmc chair has the power to decide if a veto is
valid or not
it comes with the role. see above link:
"...has the power to establish rules and procedures for the day to day
management of the communities for which the PMC is responsible..."
again, I am -1 on this, because I do not understand why the PMC chair should
have so much power in this type of community as Lenya is
Someone needs to be able to break a deadlock.
agreed and I even said so within another email
Michi
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