On Nov 17, 2007 5:38 AM, Thorsten Scherler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 16:01 -0500, Bob Harner wrote:
> ...
> > > Anyway I thought about the whole cocoon stuff a bit and asked myself
> > > whether it makes sense to ship WITHOUT cocoon. We only recommend a
> > > certain version/revision number.
> > >
> > > Meaning the user would have to grep a version of cocoon himself. Would
> > > certainly slim down the release (~100mb!).
> > >
> > > Wdyt?
> >
> > IMHO for now I think we should stick to the original plan of including
> > the latest released version of Cocoon (2.1.10) in Lenya 2.0.  If
> > Cocoon 2.1.11 is actually released before Lenya 2.0 comes out, then
> > great, we can revisit the decision at that time.  And if Lenya 2.0 is
> > released first, then we can certainly do a quick 2.0.1 release
> > immediately after Cocoon 2.1.11 is released.
>
> We have a split situation ATM. Some of us want the trunk of cocoon and
> other a fixed release.
>
> I can understand both situations but we need to come to a consensus
> ASAP. My suggestion to not ship cocoon was an intention to overcome this
> split pot.
>
> However solprovider perfectly points out the pros and cons, thanks Paul.
> I see them more or less like him. The best would be to include just some
> jars that we need from cocoon and nothing more.
>
> Anyway since we have to get this release quickly out of the door I tend
> to agree on Bobs position (on which we already agreed on this list).
>
> - latest released version of Cocoon (2.1.10) in Lenya 2.0
> - instructions how to use a different version of cocooon (like trunk),
> which is very easy thanks to the build properties.
> - quick 2.0.1 release immediately after Cocoon 2.1.11 is released

I'm glad Thorsen agrees with me, but I'm really in favor of whatever
gets a stable Lenya 2.0 out the door.  I had previously argued maybe
18 months ago, that development should be based on a released version
of Cocoon, precisely so we wouldn't come to a difficult decision point
like this, but I lost that argument long ago to others who have
(deservedly) far more influence than me.  I happily accept the
consensus of the group, though, so If Cocoon 2.1.10 is likely to be
less stable than 2.1.x then I think we should go with the latter.  The
rest of you are more qualified than me to judge the risk in that.

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