You have to do it don't you :-P

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 14 April 2004 15:22
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK
> 
> 
> iif function anyone???
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Snake Hollywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 3:18 PM
> Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK
> 
> 
> > Well a usergroup metting is a lot of hassle if you don't 
> live nearby, 
> > and
> is
> > usually only for the truly geeky or cf-obsessed.
> > If it was more than just a geek session I'm sure more people would 
> > come. Look at the one and only cfdeveloper event I held, it was a 
> > great success, lots of people turned up, because it wasn't 
> just techy 
> > geek meeting, it
> was
> > also a party with booze and chicks :-)
> >
> > I am planning a few mor eof these soon when I can find the time to 
> > arrange it. Let hope MM feel inclined to suppor tme this time.
> >
> > Russ
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Taz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: 14 April 2004 10:36
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK
> > >
> > >
> > > > I mean we have a very few user groups (which I am not knocking).
> > >
> > > The main reason why we have few user groups is apathy. 
> Stephen and I 
> > > put a fair amount of our time and money into the Northern 
> CFUG, and 
> > > I think the maximum attendance at any meeting was 20... 
> and that was 
> > > probably because we were at Freeserve's (ahem, or Wanadoo or 
> > > whatever) office and we were offering about 5 books and a 
> licensed 
> > > copy of CFMX.
> > >
> > > People just weren't interested... especially if it meant 
> getting on 
> > > a train to go to the meeting.
> > >
> > > This is obviously not a gripe against the user group's 
> members. It 
> > > costs money to get to meetings, and it's a night away from home 
> > > where you could be watching the footie or something. But 
> all credit 
> > > to those who did turn up, sponsor meetings, share their offices, 
> > > time, etc.
> > >
> > >
> > > I agree with you about MM though. They don't exactly have their 
> > > finger on the pulse when it comes to the User Groups. 
> Just look at 
> > > the UK groups page on their site: http://tinyurl.com/38zko The 
> > > Northern CFUG > shut down last summer, and it's still 
> advertised. We 
> > > used to have to harass them for days to get them to advertise a 
> > > meeting on their mailing list. But then the UK MM office is quite 
> > > small, and I suspect that they were busy with everything else. 
> > > Still...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Blimey! Have I just replied to a post on the dev list? 
> What is the 
> > > world coming to? I'd better get back to talking crap on chat.
> > >
> > > Taz
> > >
> > >
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