Sorry Duncan, didn’t spot the sarcasm ;)
To bring this back round to ColdFusion-
how do people ensure that code generated in a CMS is accessible (for instance
through a custom tag like activedit or soEditor). I currently use a module that strips any MS
style rubbish but it would be interesting to know what other people do…
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accessibility in the UK
"you might as well say that by making a site
cross-browser compliant you're discriminating against IE users. "
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I was meaning that sarcastically, just trying to extend Neil's argument to
another example that showed up it's flaws. Maybe another analogy:
allowing
people of any race to apply for a job ~= accessible website;
discriminating
in favour of a specific race ~= not-accessible website.
It's
not positive discrimination to make it accessible, which I think is Neil's
point of view.
my
point re: freedom of speech is that it would be hard to legally defend yourself
on this basis alone. but it will be very easy for the DRC to use the DDA
to get succesful prosecutions (after October anyway). Which is a good
thing, as it'll mean clients and ourselves will be much more aware of the
issues, and more likely to build accessible sites. which is a good thing,
right?
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"Damian Watson"
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How exactly?
…and free speech is
in any case a different thing entirely. You need access to a
"democracy" or ~whatever~ to exercise that freedom, we're talking
about access.
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also, in UK law there is no such thing as freedom of speech, although the
European human rights act does give us it. There is however a very real
Disability Discrimination Act.
you might as well say that by making a site cross-browser compliant you're
discriminating against IE users.
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"Robertson-Ravo, Neil
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16/04/2004 13:14
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I would be very very surprised if someone could successfully proceed with a
case and win against a site which does not include or adhere to
accessibility "guidelines" - agree with Taz, its entirely up to the
freedom
of speech and thought how you move forward with a site....
There would be uproar if someone shut a site down as in some cases you could
counter the whole scenario by saying that by making it accessible may lead
to the whole experience being degraded which means able-bodied (or whatever
term you want to use) are being discriminated against.....
It's a no win situation whatever way you look at it.
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Sent: 16 April 2004 13:04
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> well, the DRC _is_ the enforcenment body, and if you read the foreword
> of the report Bert Massie, the (disabled) Chair, states quite clearly
> that
they
> will be launching actions against companies, or supporting disabled
> people who want to do so. They have the power to close web sites down
> if, after advising about the issues, the site takes no notice/action.
I'll apologise in advance for being politically incorrect, but I can't
fathom why it should be illegal for a site not to be accessible to every
user.
Effectively it's more of a problem for the company involved, who may be
losing a potential revenue stream, but essentially it's up to them who they
target their advertising and services at.
Okay, so you could call it discrimination, but then by the same token you
could argue that book publishers are being discriminatory by not making all
of their books available in Braille or audio. In fact, why aren't we getting
sued for not translating sites into 60 different languages? Hey, that's
xenophobia isn't it? Chinese sites for all! 2 billion people can't all be
wrong.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for accessibility for all. And since nearly all
of my work has to conform to RNIB guidelines (among others), I tend to build
in accessibility from the start. But I get the feeling that all this
political correctness is getting just a little out of hand.
I agree that sites should be accessible to as many people as possible. But
if the Government want to get the electronic UK on the map as the best in
the world, why don't they offer incentives to businesses to implement these
things, instead of the draconian attitude of biting off the hand that's
paying taxes.
Oh crap! I've gone all serious again.
Nob Giblets!
Taz
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